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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that applying this - found

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under now in the possession of the army

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name is rigged change the game changer

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is fade to black

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with your host Jimmy Church on the game

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changer radio network and kgr a the

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your help to get to the year nineteen

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing Network

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good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio for

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169 days into the New Year just 197 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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network and kg are a the planets I am

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your host Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing third stone

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there okay tonight's very special guest

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dr. Dean Radin and he is going to be

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to be a great conversation I need I need

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and tomorrow night is another Fator

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news another crazy day on this planet

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and check this out hot on the heels

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remember that song by keel right Yngwie

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Malmsteen hot on your heels remember

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that yeah

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Rick Fox on bass and I was a good band

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Ron keel I was a good bad it's good man

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anyway hot on the heels of 36

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communicating et species in our Milky

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Way which came out two days ago hot on

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the heels of that is this using a

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groundbreaking new model scientists have

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now calculated that there may be up to

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six billion earth-like planets in the

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Milky Way galaxy every day we've got

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some kind of news like this so far we

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have confirmed the existence of 4160 for

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exoplanets with another 4370 for waiting

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closing in on 10,000 exoplanets at

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present time there are 500 billion stars

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in the Milky Way talked about it this

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week roughly 7% of which are similar in

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composition and size to our Sun these

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now Michelle [\h__\h] Emoto from the

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University of British Columbia UBC in

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an expert in exoplanets applied a

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technique known as forward modeling to a

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database of 200 thousand stars studied

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many potential new earths could be out

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there orbiting around these stars Kuni

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came up with the number six billion

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earth-like planets six billion goes

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number of 36 is low all right it

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happened earlier today Fulton County

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District Attorney Paul Howard announced

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11 charges against the former Atlanta

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officer who shot and killed 27 year old

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was showered Brooks including felony

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murder officer Garrett Rolf was fired

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Brooks multiple times from the back as

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murder wall faces life in prison without

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parole or the death penalty another

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aggravated assault Howard also announced

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today the DA that Brosnan will be a

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witness for the state but later Donn

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Devon Brosnan said that his client had

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not agreed to testify I watched the

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entire presentation today live I saw the

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video I saw the photographs and it was

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traumatic it was traumatic

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more on this in just a bit the Starworks

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on November 5th through the 8th is

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happening I want you to get your tickets

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and info go to Star Wars cos a.com I'm

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gonna be there grant Cameron's going to

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be there James Fox is going to be there

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two nights two exclusive nights fade to

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black sky watches on Thursday the fifth

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and Friday the sixth all right get your

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James Fox is gonna show and premiere his

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be there Rita's gonna be there fade to

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it's gonna be awesome

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I need to get out of the house so do you

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Starworks usa.com also the disclosure

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fest is happening October 10th 2020

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right here in Los Angeles at the Los

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downtown LA it's a one-day event it is

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free I'm going to be hosting I'm gonna

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be speaking I'm gonna celebrate my

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birthday that is my birthday October 10

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come and hang out with us disclosure

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fest dot-org for all of your information

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and get registered to freedom a free

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event one day 20,000 people right here

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in downtown Los Angeles all right all

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disclosure fest dot org happy birthday

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to today Barry Manilow that's right I

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Barry Manilow my heavy metal self just

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said happy birthday to Barry Manilow

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today 77 years old

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also today Hanoi Rocks frontman Michael

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Monroe today 58 Hanoi Rocks man that

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that 1984-1985 Hanoi Rocks was the real

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deal it was a good band too short too

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short happy birthday Michael Monroe on

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the state history OTD 1994 are you ready

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it happened live on television to OJ

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Simpson and Al cowlings lead LA police

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on a 35 mile per hour chase up the 405

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freeway to Simpsons home

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Brentwood live on TV it was just you

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know what was funny

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I got a move on I don't want to spend a

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lot of time on this but I watched it

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going down from my place there in

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Sherman Oaks and went man it's coming up

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passing LAX so I went out jumped in my

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car and went over to the overpass of the

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four or five freeway of Sherman Oaks and

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people all hanging out on the overpass

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with cameras like cameras you know no

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cell phones and and waiting but he

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turned off in the exit in front of us

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Sunset Boulevard and and went up into

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live on TV fader fact uma rels that's um

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building is being built right a

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around it with their hands behind their

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offering unwanted advice it's a real

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there's your fader fact tonight very

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special guest Dean Radin is here we'd

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have a conversation about us our mind

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our brain and consciousness tomorrow

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night Fator night open lines all night

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long now I really need this River moon

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blend alright okay let's talk today the

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country and indeed the world faced more

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heaviness with the announcement from the

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Atlanta DA live on television charges

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being brought for 2x Atlanta police

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officers for the death of Rashard Brooks

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he also the DA revealed how those

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officers treated Rashard before and

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after the shooting

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Rashard skilling this past Friday night

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came amid nationwide protests calling

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for the end of racism and police

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violence against black people which are

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happening because of the murder of

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George Floyd and all of this is

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happening during the corona virus

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pandemic and it's locked down and it's

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crushing of the world economy and it's

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an election year

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there is more drama right now as I speak

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to you more drama real drama than at any

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point in history it is coming at us from

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every direction it's jobs it's industry

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it's our children schools racism

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politics law enforcement and it has

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spread around the world this pressure

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that nobody can escape will continue to

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have an effect on all of us it's gonna

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have an effect in ways that we just

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can't imagine this program fade to black

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has been an escape

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it's been a safe place of refuge where

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you can come and hang out each night and

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hopefully not have to think about what

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is going on right now outside of your

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homes in some ways it seems like the

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right thing to do

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to make this a safe place but it is also

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ignoring the reality that we find

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ourselves in with no end in sight and I

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say this because I'm in the same

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position as all of you I'm not immune to

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anything the emotions that I felt today

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after the Atlanta news conference just

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wore me down sure I was angry I still AM

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but there is this feeling of being

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pushed down it's like I need a timeout

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I'm starting to feel really exhausted

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now normally I can just put on some

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music you know get my brain to somewhere

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else and I did that today I did that

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today with triumph at the 1983 us

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Festival that's triumph the band Rik

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Emmett Gilmore playing the world's

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largest drum set triumph at the 1983 s

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Festival and I posted it over on

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Facebook and I did this in an effort to

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get all of you away from the day's bad

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news and for me it worked for a few

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minutes but then the world checked back

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in it reminded me of where we really are

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the world said now man triumph triumph

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thinking to do it because we the world

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have gone nuts the whole planet this is

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where conscious and consciousness comes

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the brain who controls but in that I

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mean are we telling our brains what to

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do or do we react to what our brain and

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mind are doing first why are we as a

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planet doing and saying the things we

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are right now this is all happening

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worldwide people are feeling the same

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stuff it's certainly not being blocked

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by languages or oceans so what is

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causing it

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is there something being triggered that

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is much deeper than we know or

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understand I'll say this we talked about

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the mass media and their ability to

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deliberately cause issues through fear

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and panic and this is certainly the case

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right now but they didn't expect this

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kind of worldwide response it is now

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clearly out of their control

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it's also out of the government's

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control right now there is nothing that

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can be done and we all know it you see

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the puppet masters thought they had

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everything managed every move by the

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Board of Directors that has been made

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over the last six months well the

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opposite reaction has happened they

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truly do not understand the human mind

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in fact nobody does with all of the

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conspiracy talk over the years about a

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new world order and the control of

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everything by just a few although it may

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be real and it probably is those few who

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have chosen to manipulate the masses

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through the media and the internet are

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finding out right now that the control

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is with the mass

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the media and the Internet have turned

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on them things have ignited things have

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ignited something deep down something so

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inside the minds of individuals around

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the world that nobody understands not

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even the elite who thought they could

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control the future now there is a lot of

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research going on about our brains our

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mind and consciousness and the more that

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this work continues the more we do not

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know the brain is a complete unknown you

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see with the elites that is a very

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dangerous dangerous world you can't just

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lock things down you can't ruin lives

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and our future and then start killing

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black men in the streets for the world

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to see there was no game planned there

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was no end game that elite who owned the

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banks the media the armies have no idea

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what they are doing or what they have

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caused and just saying all of this right

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now scares the crap out of me because it

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is real they are not as smart as we

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thought they were and that ultimately

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will be the real issue there is not some

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crazy conspiracy show going on right now

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like from years past or the reading of

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George Orwell's 1984 no this is real

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this is not fiction now eventually the

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smoke will clear we will come out of the

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other side of this never-ending

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nightmare that we find ourselves in

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you see I'm struggling with my thoughts

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just like all of you I'm not any

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different I'm not a superhero and

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together with this show and guests like

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dr. Dean Radin we'll start to figure out

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a path forward fade to black is not here

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to try and solve the world

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problems far from it I'm not that smart

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but we will look into how our minds work

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what is consciousness and why we do what

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we do it's playing that small part that

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will in the end we'll start to create a

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better place in the future that we can

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all be proud of you see earlier today it

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was triumph at the us festival that's

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right and tonight it's with Dean Radin

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and a conversation about our mind brain

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and consciousness tomorrow it will be

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with another fader night and open lines

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all night long that's what we do this

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will continue to be our safe place all

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right are we all on the same page it's a

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lot of drama it's a lot of trauma I get

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it I'm just like you and you need to

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understand that don't be surprised don't

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be surprised you tune in to fade to

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black

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one night and you find out that I'm

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broadcasting from a tent on the top of a

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mountain in Appalachia I'm just I'm with

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all of you okay and I'm exhausted I'm

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tired I I've got to figure out why I

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feel the way that I do and if I do it

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you'll do it and we'll all do it

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together

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okay I'll be cool all right

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I'm gonna get out of here because when I

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come back we'll be joined by dr. Dean

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Radin this is fade to black I am your

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and you're listening to jimmy's George

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy church tonight Dean Radin is

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here tomorrow night's Fator night open

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lines all night long but tonight our

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guest is dr. Dean Radin we're gonna

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discuss the mind and the brain the

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latest research into consciousness and

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how hard science is finally trying to

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figure out what is really going on Dean

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Radin PhD is a chief scientists at the

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Institute of noetic Sciences otherwise

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known as ions and before joining the

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research staff at ions back in 2001 he

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held appointments at AT&T Bell Labs

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so did I interesting he's a musician so

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am i but he went to Princeton at the

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University of Edinburgh I was not and of

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course SR I international he's an author

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a co-author of over 250 technical and

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popular articles three dozen book

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chapters three books including the

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award-winning the conscious universe

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entangled Minds and the 2014 silver

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novelists Book Award winner supernormal

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and that was also released in 2013 now

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the website is no wedeck org all the

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links for Dean or over at Jimmy Church

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radio.com I would like to welcome back

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to fade to black dr. Dean Radin dr. Dean

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good evening how are you sir I'm doing

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well thank you are you ready to like

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start playing your banjo and going the

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world has gone crazy

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one of these days yes yes and this is I

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kind of want to start out here because

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in a second I want to get to some some

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definitions because we're gonna be

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talking about a lot of different things

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tonight now I want to I want to get to

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that but before I do with with the way

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the world is right now and everybody on

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the planet in one way or another

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everybody is is affected somewhat how do

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you with your knowledge of how

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consciousness and the mind works how do

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you stay out in front of it and keep

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your sanity and keep your feet on the

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ground what do you do well for one thing

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I meditate twice a day

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I exercise I've trying not to pay as

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much attention to the news as I had been

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before although that's difficult because

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it's kind of compelling and I think it's

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because consciousness is part of my

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research focus I'm working along with

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others on ways of measuring physical

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effects on the world as a result of

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collective consciousness so part of my

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job to do this and just personally then

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I work to keep myself calm is is because

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your work is this right now you're

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seeing collective consciousness in

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action probably in a way that you could

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have never imagined right is this like

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the the ultimate research study for you

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to see this going on well not exactly I

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mean as at least as far as the pandemic

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goes scientists have been talking about

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this for decades we knew this was going

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to happen so it wasn't a question of if

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it was only a question of when

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and in fact in 2018 I was working on a

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project with merck pharmaceutical in

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germany and the topic of the project was

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all about how do we stop pandemics

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because they're primarily distributed

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now by airplanes so we came up with an

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idea they wouldn't have cost very much

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it would require a way of testing on the

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airplane itself to see if somebody was

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infected and that technically we could

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have done it but it was a political

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problem because he'd have to get all the

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airlines in the world to agree to take

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on this new technology and of course you

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can't get more than two people to agree

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on anything so that wasn't going to work

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very well so lots of projects around the

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world have been trying to figure out how

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do we detect and how do we stop the the

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very fast spread of pandemics because

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it's not true now but before the

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pandemic there were at any given time

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around 2 million people in the air and

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200,000 airplanes and so

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it's very easy to see how something that

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starts on the other side of the planet

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can infect the rest of the world in a

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matter of a month and that's what

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happened and when when you look at

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something like that

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from a scientific standpoint and trying

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to establish ideas in ways to deal with

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it in the future there's another part of

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this where you must have thought about

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how the world would react if they were

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presented with real world not only panic

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but a situation that is going to cause

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people to to to not ignore it right and

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where it's always happening somewhere

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else right it's it's not your issue when

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it becomes your issue and your neighbors

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issue the town's issue the cities the

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states the countries and then the world

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well now everybody is going to have a

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conscious connection right did you think

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about that and how the world would react

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right so the everyone is interconnected

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now from a very conventional perspective

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through the media so media is 24/7

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connects everybody especially now that

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we have smartphones or begins in the

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news constantly everywhere and send out

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alerts constantly so something happens

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in the world that affects one area of

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the world in in a negative way typically

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like a giant earthquake or Ebola

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currently in Africa if we're paying

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attention we are part of that I mean it

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infects it's infectious in terms not

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only of a virus but our way of thinking

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about it so from that very conventional

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00:38:56,820 --> 00:38:54,390
way we are all interconnected but

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generally what I study or other more

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subtle ways in which ones are connected

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which has to do with our definitions of

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what we think consciousness is and mind

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and the relationship with the brain and

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all of that so the very topics that

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the phases of things that were all very

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aware of now on this timeline over the

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last five or six months was pretty

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amazing because in the beginning it

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seemed that everybody was okay with

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protecting the planet and protecting

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their friends and family with going into

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a lockdown

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some kind of sheltered existence don't

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know how long it's going to last but it

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seemed that everything else at that time

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doctor was put on the back burner and

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I'm talking about crime war the bad

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00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,570
parts of the world weren't in the news

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certainly be had pandemic in the news

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but the other stuff that we were

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traditionally fed seemed to have

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disappeared

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and that there was a kindness a

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gentleness of the world where it seemed

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like we're at some kind of paradigm

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shift and that was a good thing

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but now at the end of three or four

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months of being at home is certainly

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going to have its negative consequences

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too and it seems like we're seeing that

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start to play out did the powers the

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heads of state and so forth around the

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world did they take that into

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consideration that what the effects

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would be consciously on seven billion

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people on the planet and affecting their

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futures I'm sure that they did I mean

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the scenarios that were played out as

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beforehand included including several

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months in the u.s. several months before

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the pandemic hit there were already

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these simulations that were going on and

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what do we do how do we act what are the

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consequences of it so all of that is has

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been studied to to a great extent in

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most countries in the world the problem

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is of course that once you're actually

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no longer in a simulation and you're in

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the real thing

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especially when there are political

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considerations that overtake medical

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considerations which happens also in

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many countries then then it becomes much

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more complicated so it's completely true

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that you you can and some cases

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absolutely need to lock people down for

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the sake of everyone's health but

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there's a gigantic economic consequence

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to that and also just from a purely

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00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:45,690
psychological perspective that people

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00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,300
begin to go crazy after a while after

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being quarantined for a long time if

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you're an introvert like me it makes no

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difference at all I like being home like

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I don't I don't want to go out so it

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really doesn't matter for me but a lot

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of people are not introverts and they

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need human connection with others and if

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they don't get that they start to go a

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little crazy so it's it's so a long

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lockdown starts to become more and more

755
00:42:16,610 --> 00:42:12,840
like a powder keg that's ready to

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explode so combination of that combined

757
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with the economic need to get people

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back to work

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00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:21,600
you can see how the tension is playing

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00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:23,970
out now in the United States where some

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people are just given up on masks and

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they're given up on social distancing

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they're saying I can't stand it anymore

764
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so this of course is a problem and then

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you combine that this is this is what I

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find really interesting them we'll get

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into some definitions here you combine

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that with all of the other drama harsh

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00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:51,030
heavy news and of course the elephant in

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00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,420
the room is is racism and that in an

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election year and all of the other

772
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:01,020
politics and the things that are playing

773
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:05,400
out law enforcement our kids being home

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00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,530
from schools you don't know if you have

775
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:09,240
a job or a future and bills and

776
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:14,070
everything is coming down on everyone

777
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:17,810
all at the same time what what effect

778
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,330
obviously we're seeing some of the

779
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:24,480
things happen with with protests but

780
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:27,310
there are some longer-term effects

781
00:43:31,290 --> 00:43:28,900
all of this too as well do you think

782
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:31,300
that the collective consciousness will

783
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:34,660
tap out exhaustion is going to come in

784
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:37,000
and people are just not going to be able

785
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:39,730
to take the news anymore well we're

786
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:42,130
seeing we were in the midst now of

787
00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:44,590
creating what amounts to a societal

788
00:43:52,530 --> 00:43:47,860
post-traumatic stress disorder right a

789
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:52,540
gigantic PTSD how it plays out we don't

790
00:43:56,670 --> 00:43:54,730
know because there have been a few times

791
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:56,680
in history where something of this

792
00:44:02,040 --> 00:43:58,570
magnitude has shut down the entire globe

793
00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:02,050
so we'll have to be paying attention and

794
00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:04,870
watch how it plays out but I do know

795
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:06,820
that a lot of my colleagues are clinical

796
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:09,630
psychologists they're very concerned

797
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:11,740
about what's going to happen over the

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00:44:18,450 --> 00:44:13,420
next year or so because it's going to

799
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:18,460
take a while before fear about the kovat

800
00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:20,920
virus begins to settle down after we

801
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:24,070
have vaccines and of course the problem

802
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:27,010
now with we all want a vaccine and

803
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,990
there's this huge acceleration this

804
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:29,680
warp-speed

805
00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:32,650
creation of a vaccine which in itself

806
00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:35,620
could be extremely dangerous because if

807
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:37,900
vaccine you hope will do what it does

808
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:40,690
and be safe but if you do it too quickly

809
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,240
this is why the clinical trials are so

810
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:46,000
important it could have side effects the

811
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:47,350
side effects could end up being worse

812
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:50,890
than the thing itself so we're we're in

813
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:52,840
a we're in a strange time and most

814
00:44:57,980 --> 00:44:54,790
people in living memory have never been

815
00:45:01,680 --> 00:44:57,990
in a time like this at all anywhere so

816
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:01,690
well we're learning as we go let's uh

817
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,550
let's uh let's go through some

818
00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:06,400
definitions and we'll start with the

819
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:12,340
simple stuff conscience what is that do

820
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:13,510
you mean consciousness or you mean

821
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:14,890
conscience yeah we're gonna do

822
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:17,140
consciousness next there's always

823
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,230
there's a method to my madness yeah so

824
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:22,480
as it turns out I have a lot of French

825
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:25,450
colleagues and in French there's no

826
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:27,190
difference between conscious and

827
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:30,850
consciousness and so if you have to be

828
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:32,920
clear about how you're describing what

829
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,290
you're talking about so when I tell

830
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:36,640
people from France I'm doing

831
00:45:39,790 --> 00:45:37,810
consciousness studies they give a

832
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:39,800
puzzled look and I say but conscious

833
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:43,520
I mean conscience they don't get it so I

834
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:47,089
would say that conscience is at least in

835
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:49,369
English would mean that we we get a

836
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:51,130
sense of something that we're doing and

837
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,230
we have an emotional reaction to it and

838
00:45:59,859 --> 00:45:56,960
we evaluate the the morality and ethics

839
00:46:02,170 --> 00:45:59,869
of whatever our actions are that is when

840
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:02,180
we are we have a conscience about

841
00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:04,280
something our memory of something that

842
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:08,080
we pay attention to consciousness

843
00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:12,230
consciousness I would say is and that

844
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:14,030
simplest form is awareness

845
00:46:21,370 --> 00:46:17,030
it's the subjective sense of having

846
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:21,380
experience awareness very interesting

847
00:46:32,579 --> 00:46:24,680
yeah I you know what the a very rarely

848
00:46:38,109 --> 00:46:32,589
agree with the French okay now the mind

849
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,119
the mind is used for things like

850
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:40,880
cognition our ability to do analytical

851
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:44,089
work perception our barely to see in

852
00:46:50,339 --> 00:46:46,490
here and so on sensation which is comes

853
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:50,349
before just being aware of the senses

854
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,770
and memory so mind is all of those

855
00:47:01,150 --> 00:46:57,200
things wrapped into one and they it's

856
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:01,160
when we refer to me or I that's

857
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:03,290
generally what people think of as mind

858
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:06,740
it's the perception awareness and memory

859
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:09,920
all linked together now we all know that

860
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:14,030
the brain is you know a few pounds of

861
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,070
grace goo inside of our skulls but for

862
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:21,680
you what would be the definition of the

863
00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:22,250
brain

864
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:25,580
oh yeah it's 3 pounds of goo that's

865
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:28,220
inside your skull and we'll leave it at

866
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:28,670
that

867
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,680
yeah I mean it's a very specialized type

868
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,680
of goo and we've learned quite a bit

869
00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:36,800
about it it's an organ it's one of the

870
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:38,540
organs of the body there are those who

871
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:41,570
who think by the way that many of the

872
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:43,730
same neurons in the brain are in your

873
00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:45,710
gut and some of them are in your heart

874
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:47,480
in fact it's all throughout your body

875
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:49,470
you can find astrocytes and other kinds

876
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,540
brain cells it's just that the highest

877
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,700
density of them are inside your head and

878
00:48:02,660 --> 00:47:55,859
that's the organ that we call the brain

879
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:02,670
now what comes first consciousness or

880
00:48:06,830 --> 00:48:06,119
the brain that depends on who you're

881
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:06,840
talking to

882
00:48:12,980 --> 00:48:11,040
right and it also depends on your your

883
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:12,990
worldview your scientific worldview

884
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:15,930
which means the theories and models that

885
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,160
you use to describe reality so most

886
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:21,599
people who go through scientific

887
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:25,020
training learn about the the this

888
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:27,090
doctrine or a philosophical stance of

889
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:30,690
materialism in which everything is made

890
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,090
up of matter and energy literally

891
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:35,520
everything and from that stance the

892
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:37,530
brain is a physical object made up of

893
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:40,590
matter and energy and there is nothing

894
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:44,760
else in which case consciousness is

895
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:46,890
emerging out of the activity of the

896
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:50,280
brain this is the today's dogma within

897
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,440
the neurosciences this is either taught

898
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,240
explicitly in the way that I just said

899
00:49:01,640 --> 00:48:58,800
that consciousness emerges at a brain

900
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:01,650
activity or implicitly in which there

901
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:04,710
are phrases like like Francis Crick used

902
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:08,730
to say that that you all of your dreams

903
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:11,339
and knowledge and memory and everything

904
00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:13,890
that you imagine about yourself is

905
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,390
actually an illusion that's being

906
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:18,000
created by the brain it's a generation

907
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,810
of the brain the activity of the brain

908
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,280
in which case from that perspective

909
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:24,720
which is the mainstream scientific

910
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,470
perspective our sense of self is an

911
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,960
illusion which it gives rise to some

912
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:33,119
philosophers like Daniel Dennett who

913
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:34,830
says that ultimately were really like

914
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:38,060
zombies we give the appearance of being

915
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:42,390
aware and alive and in control and in

916
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:44,280
control to some degree right not all

917
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,700
that much right but that were zombies

918
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:49,380
because you don't really have

919
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,030
consciousness in fact there really isn't

920
00:49:57,020 --> 00:49:53,940
even anything that is consciousness it's

921
00:49:59,300 --> 00:49:57,030
an illusion of course and this also is a

922
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:59,310
dogma there are many neuroscientists who

923
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:01,800
accept that idea fortunately not so many

924
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:03,210
today but

925
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:05,250
thirty years ago that was the prevailing

926
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:08,670
dogma so when and I used to hear this

927
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:10,170
and I was going through graduate school

928
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,050
and people would basically say that if

929
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:14,640
you have a fancy enough computer you

930
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:16,770
could make it conscious it would be just

931
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:19,010
as conscious as you are because it's its

932
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:21,329
consciousness arising out of a complex

933
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:25,440
system in which case our consciousness

934
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,940
is kind of an illusion because when I

935
00:50:30,859 --> 00:50:29,160
write a software program on a computer I

936
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:30,869
don't get the sense that it's actually

937
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:34,020
aware I can simulate the awareness but

938
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:35,400
it's not really aware in which case

939
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,530
maybe I'm not really aware either I'm

940
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,540
simulating it but then I was thought

941
00:50:45,319 --> 00:50:42,000
well then I don't feel like I'm a

942
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:45,329
simulation I feel like I'm aware and a

943
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:46,770
philosopher would just dismiss that and

944
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:48,950
say well your feelings don't matter

945
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,930
yeah well oh go ahead go ahead I'm sorry

946
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:53,880
sit so all that comes out of this

947
00:50:59,359 --> 00:50:57,089
doctrine of materialism where you make

948
00:51:01,849 --> 00:50:59,369
you can make a robot like like data on

949
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,859
Star Trek that had Android it was a

950
00:51:06,859 --> 00:51:04,680
conscious being because of this this

951
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:06,869
idea that you can material objects can

952
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:08,810
give rise to consciousness in some way

953
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:12,000
the problem is that nobody has any idea

954
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:14,280
how that could happen because if you

955
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:17,190
start with matter and energy and you

956
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:19,050
assume that they don't have

957
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:22,230
self-awareness that it somehow arises

958
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,329
out of it well how can something that

959
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,640
doesn't have awareness suddenly gain it

960
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:29,280
it's awareness is not a physical thing

961
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:32,339
it's it's subjective it's inside somehow

962
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,150
it's inside physics so the other

963
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,460
approach then the other worldview the

964
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,079
flip side of materialism is called

965
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,960
idealism and this is long-held

966
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:45,359
philosophical position in fact most of

967
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:47,670
the founders of quantum mechanics held

968
00:51:52,940 --> 00:51:50,520
an idealist view of reality right and so

969
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,950
so that view says it is not that matter

970
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,480
and energy are fundamental but rather

971
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:56,880
it's consciousness that is fundamental

972
00:52:02,660 --> 00:51:58,859
and when you think about this it

973
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:02,670
actually it's kind of radical if we go

974
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,460
through the standard academic training

975
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:06,660
but when you think about it the only

976
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:08,630
thing you will ever actually know

977
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:12,000
personally and intimately is things that

978
00:52:16,570 --> 00:52:15,510
you're aware of almost by definition if

979
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:16,580
you're not aware of

980
00:52:21,820 --> 00:52:19,910
you can't know it so from that

981
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:21,830
perspective everything that you think

982
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:23,210
you know about the nature of the world

983
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:25,190
everything about reality all of our

984
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:29,510
models everything is an inference you're

985
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:32,240
constructing it as an inference but the

986
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:33,560
only thing you could actually know

987
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:37,250
directly is your awareness so you can

988
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:38,840
see then that the these were polar

989
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:40,850
opposites and the one side you have

990
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,260
materialism where everything's made out

991
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:44,000
of matter and energy and there's no

992
00:52:48,310 --> 00:52:46,010
consciousness and the other side all

993
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:48,320
there is is consciousness and matter and

994
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:51,650
energy are emerging somehow out of this

995
00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:54,200
primordial awareness that somehow

996
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,540
permeates everything in the universe

997
00:53:02,170 --> 00:52:57,920
there's a there's a problem with both

998
00:53:04,570 --> 00:53:02,180
sides too as well and not to go with

999
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:04,580
something very simplistic and and make

1000
00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:07,130
it trivial which would be you know

1001
00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:09,140
suggesting you know the chicken or the

1002
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,200
egg right what came first but that is

1003
00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:15,680
certainly the case here with both sides

1004
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:19,400
of this discussion because something has

1005
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:22,130
to happen first you can't have the

1006
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:25,610
experience or the memory for the brain

1007
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:27,770
to be making decisions without the brain

1008
00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:29,810
you know what I mean and that's someone

1009
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:33,860
and it's the same thing on the

1010
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:38,600
consciousness side where you can't have

1011
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:41,510
consciousness be everything if there is

1012
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:44,630
no consciousness there at the start and

1013
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:47,030
the development of the brain and at what

1014
00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:52,780
point do those particles that make up us

1015
00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:56,300
go from being just particles to

1016
00:54:00,160 --> 00:53:57,950
something that does contain

1017
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:00,170
consciousness and it's the same argument

1018
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:03,580
on both sides it's it's a genuine

1019
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:06,890
conundrum almost right and so this is

1020
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:10,550
why they're two slightly to little

1021
00:54:16,180 --> 00:54:13,730
twists on the these materialism versus

1022
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:16,190
ideal them idealism one is neutral

1023
00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:18,080
monism right which base it basically

1024
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:20,780
says that mind and matter are two sides

1025
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,330
of the same coin so when you look at the

1026
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:25,040
heads or tails on a coin they're not the

1027
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,290
same thing but they're very very tightly

1028
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:29,400
correlated with each other

1029
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:30,780
and you can't have one without the other

1030
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:32,820
that really are there they're linked

1031
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:36,090
together in a very tight way the other

1032
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:38,370
solution which is becoming even more

1033
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:40,590
popular now than but in the scientific

1034
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,040
community is pan psychism pan psychism

1035
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:46,920
says that ultimately all forms of matter

1036
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:48,990
and energy have an inherent form of

1037
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:51,090
consciousness even all the way down to

1038
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:53,510
an electron or down to a quark and below

1039
00:55:00,590 --> 00:54:57,900
so that in one stroke then that that

1040
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:00,600
philosophical stance pretty much solves

1041
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,550
the problem the conundrum between

1042
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:04,380
materialism and idealism it says

1043
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:07,170
everything actually is conscious or has

1044
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,930
consciousness but there also is a

1045
00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:11,700
physical world it's that's not an

1046
00:55:19,150 --> 00:55:14,580
illusion out there it is somehow linked

1047
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:19,160
in the fundamental way with awareness so

1048
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:23,850
as I said pan psychism has been around a

1049
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,710
long time in a philosophical sense but

1050
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:28,140
within science I would say only in the

1051
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,540
past 10 years 10 or 15 years you find

1052
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,400
more and more scientists even thought

1053
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:34,440
leaders within different disciplines and

1054
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,930
science we're beginning to say yeah you

1055
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,400
know what that that kind of makes sense

1056
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:41,760
that would solve a lot of problems that

1057
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:43,410
we can't solve with Anna purely

1058
00:55:51,610 --> 00:55:45,260
materialistic perspective a

1059
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:55,010
except that it would have to include the

1060
00:56:00,580 --> 00:55:57,210
physical world matter and energy in some

1061
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:00,590
fundamental way as well and of course

1062
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:03,180
going through an engineering and a

1063
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:05,880
scientific career I completely accepted

1064
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:08,970
materialism as the way things work for

1065
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:10,830
many many years because had no reason to

1066
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:14,850
to not accept it and in addition the use

1067
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:17,100
of materialism as a doctrine has been

1068
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:20,010
extremely successful and so you can't

1069
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:22,410
argue with success I mean we know a lot

1070
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:24,150
about all kinds of things now because

1071
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:26,700
we've used this these assumptions of

1072
00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:30,540
materialism and it works so it doesn't

1073
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:33,060
make any sense to throw it away on the

1074
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:34,170
other hand it doesn't explain

1075
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:35,940
consciousness very well which as I said

1076
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,430
is the only thing that we actually know

1077
00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:40,500
so there's some kind of melding of the

1078
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:43,300
two together that I think is going

1079
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,290
it will be in our future I think future

1080
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:48,640
academics will begin to embrace the idea

1081
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:50,500
of either pants psychism or neutral

1082
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:52,780
monism in a more fundamental way now

1083
00:56:57,390 --> 00:56:54,670
when we when we look at this we've got

1084
00:57:00,780 --> 00:56:57,400
two minutes before the break about when

1085
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,790
we look at this it sounds like and I

1086
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:03,520
need your help and understanding are you

1087
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:08,460
suggesting that consciousness comes from

1088
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,370
chemistry a chemical reaction the

1089
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:15,760
Assembly of the brain or matter or does

1090
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:21,190
it exist independently outside of of

1091
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chemistry I'm saying at least from my

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perspective and I'm somewhere right in

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the middle of materialism versus

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idealism right I would say that

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consciousness does not arise out of the

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activity of the brain that it is already

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inherently they are in the matter itself

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that would be a pan psychist

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perspective or a neutral monism

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perspective so mind and matter or a

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consciousness and matter are two sides

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of the same coin very very interesting

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it's almost like a yes-or-no answer -

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you're saying that the particles and the

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matter on the moon without any sentient

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:06,790
beings being there I'm just talking

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about the matter made up at the is is

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also conscious it just hasn't been

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assembled yet it has consciousness yes

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yes fascinating that's the implication

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yes that is fascinating

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I I talked about Brian Greene last night

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00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:29,470
he made this statement and it's shared

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00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:31,270
by other physicists but he made the

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statement that that kind of stopped me

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00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:35,860
in my tracks when he was asked you know

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00:58:40,110 --> 00:58:37,630
where does consciousness come from and

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00:58:44,130 --> 00:58:40,120
from a physics standpoint are you guys

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00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:44,140
pursuing you know the algorithms to

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figure out consciousness he goes

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:48,370
actually there's a little piece of

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consciousness in every single particle

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down to the smallest of matter

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and it's when you assemble everything

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together that the consciousness is

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accumulated and I was like wow wow it's

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00:59:07,090 --> 00:59:04,430
just a heavy thought but that would have

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00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:07,100
been extremely heretical to say 30 years

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00:59:11,740 --> 00:59:08,810
ago certainly it's nearly heretical

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today yeah absolutely let's take our

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break right here our guest tonight dr.

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Dean Radin I am your host Jimmy church

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tonight we're gonna discuss it all we're

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discussing the mind your mind your brain

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the brain and the latest research into

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consciousness and how hard science is

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finally trying to figure out what is

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really going on inside of that head of

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yours I'm yours Jimmy Church

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this is fade to black we'll be right

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back after this short break stay with us

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welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy church tonight dr. Dean Radin is

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here we are discussing the mind your

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mind the brain and the latest research

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into consciousness this is going to be a

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great conversation on everybody to just

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kick back I'll give you a pop quiz

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tomorrow on fader night we'll see how

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everybody gets through this doctor but

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let's go here next do we control our

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brains or do our brains control us and

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we are reacting to what the brain is

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telling us to do what comes first

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they both come first that's a chicken

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and egg question the brain is is

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constantly in activity it is certainly

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correlated with consciousness with

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awareness but many of the aspects of

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what were you think of his mind the

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perception sensations memory and all

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that that's part of the brain so you're

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not always aware of everything that's

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going on in the brain that's what the

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both neuroscience and psychotherapy

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discovered that most of our activities

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are actually driven by unconscious and

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preconscious aspects of brain activity

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if it wasn't in fact if it wasn't for a

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01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:20,779
number of anomalies that that are not

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easily explained by a mechanistic or a

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materialistic perspective there wouldn't

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be any question - it wouldn't be any

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01:06:34,690 --> 01:06:30,650
need to question the idea that your

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entire mind and awareness were due to

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the activity of the brain but there is a

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list a growing list of things that the

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brain centric idea of the mind just

1283
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:46,039
doesn't explain very well and that

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that's the area that I specialized in

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and when we come to and I want to get to

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some entanglement aspects of society

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today too as well I'm very fascinated

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with this

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but there's another side to what you

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just said which is we may not be aware

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it's almost free will where we think

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that we're making a decision and and

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we're doing it but our brain that we are

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not aware of is actually making that

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decision for us right is that the right

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way to look at it yes so there's a lot

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that goes on in terms of your behavior

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in particular that is driven by

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unconscious activity not necessarily of

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the brain although it's going to be

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related to that but on unconscious

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portions of the mind right and so one

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way one way that we know that this is

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happening is that everybody knows it's

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not really a great idea to the smoke and

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drink and eat sugar and yet we do it all

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the time and so the body has a way in

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the body and brain have a way of

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overriding what we know we shouldn't be

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doing in my own case I'm a fan of

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cookies mm-hmm and so if I there's a

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plate of cookies in front of me I have

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to work really hard not to have one of

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01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:09,980
those cookies and I'll find myself like

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01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:12,950
I'll look I'll stare at with unbelief if

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one of my hands that is going over and

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picking up the cookie sure so a part of

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me is thinking I what am i doing I

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shouldn't do this and then he was even

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greater horror

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I see the cookie doubt being picked up

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and approaching my mouth all the time

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I'm protesting and yet my body will

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override it so take that as as one

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01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:37,400
simple example of many many things that

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01:08:42,670 --> 01:08:40,130
are going on all the time and and it

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leads to all kinds of typically of not

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great things overweight and and lots of

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problems well the worst thing is putting

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the cookie down it takes such a you're

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01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,510
talking about freewill right so it to

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for free will can override these

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01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:01,670
unconscious impulses but it is not easy

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01:09:07,599 --> 01:09:05,600
at all so yeah occasionally the cookie

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gets put down but then it might be

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01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:09,560
substituted by something like a corn

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01:09:14,780 --> 01:09:12,540
chip or some other delicious thing

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01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,790
that you then you you make an agreement

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01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:16,799
with yourself that if I put this cookie

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01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:19,470
away and I eat that corn chip

1341
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:20,940
well that doesn't have as much sugar in

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01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:23,190
it so I can I can make a deal with

1343
01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:25,290
myself and of course that that doesn't

1344
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:26,670
really work out very well at the end

1345
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:28,140
either because you end up having both a

1346
01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:30,420
cookie and a corn chip but at least you

1347
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:34,950
try Wow and and expanding on that going

1348
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:39,089
into a real world situation when we're

1349
01:09:45,559 --> 01:09:42,960
talking about the media today and it can

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01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:45,569
be from suggestive advertising about

1351
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:47,580
cookies right it could be that it could

1352
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:52,319
be the pandemic or or racism or politics

1353
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:56,850
where they are projecting these images

1354
01:10:03,890 --> 01:09:59,760
on us and these thoughts forcing our

1355
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:03,900
brains to react in a way that we don't

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:06,390
understand as individuals necessarily

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01:10:12,350 --> 01:10:10,410
but the power that the media holds and

1358
01:10:15,950 --> 01:10:12,360
wields today I don't think that they

1359
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:15,960
fully understand the long-term effects

1360
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:20,490
of of doing this on to society and we're

1361
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:22,770
seeing that now with with the craziness

1362
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:26,490
aren't we well the whole point of

1363
01:10:31,790 --> 01:10:29,130
advertising is to manipulate you that's

1364
01:10:33,860 --> 01:10:31,800
that's what it is and so people in the

1365
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:33,870
PR world know very well how to

1366
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:36,360
manipulate people to buy things and to

1367
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:38,760
do things that they consciously may not

1368
01:10:44,210 --> 01:10:41,490
want to do that's what that's what the

1369
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:44,220
profession is about and there are a lot

1370
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:46,770
of people in the PR world now are

1371
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:49,650
looking at neuro marketing where they're

1372
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:52,110
looking at how the brain responds the

1373
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,690
brain and the body respond to different

1374
01:11:00,020 --> 01:10:57,000
ways of portraying things so when you

1375
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:00,030
see something typically eight or nine

1376
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:01,650
o'clock at night and television you'll

1377
01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:04,620
start seeing images of a really really

1378
01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:08,190
good-looking burger or some very

1379
01:11:13,460 --> 01:11:10,470
delicious looking thing well that's a

1380
01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:13,470
trigger and and you may or may not be

1381
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:15,030
hungry at that time you probably will be

1382
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:16,770
made hungry as a result of looking at

1383
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:20,520
the delicious food and it sinks in it

1384
01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:23,190
becomes almost like a hypnotic trigger

1385
01:11:25,890 --> 01:11:25,140
that's the next time that you you go

1386
01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:25,900
next to a

1387
01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:27,790
food place you're thinking oh yeah I

1388
01:11:35,850 --> 01:11:31,780
really wanted that it takes work to push

1389
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:35,860
against it so yeah and the media you're

1390
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:38,290
right the media as well knows very well

1391
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:43,710
that negative negative news shows or

1392
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:46,449
items and breaking news and words like

1393
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:49,090
that push the body it stimulates the

1394
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:51,070
body and people kind of like that we

1395
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:54,040
like to be stimulated most of the time

1396
01:11:59,040 --> 01:11:56,050
unfortunately it's negative sometimes

1397
01:12:01,709 --> 01:11:59,050
it's positive like like when the the the

1398
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:01,719
rocket took off with astronauts in it

1399
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:03,460
that was pleasant but that's the

1400
01:12:06,540 --> 01:12:05,260
exception most of the time it's negative

1401
01:12:09,419 --> 01:12:06,550
things because they know that's what

1402
01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:09,429
will draw people to to watch the TV or

1403
01:12:17,459 --> 01:12:11,699
listen to the news are those same

1404
01:12:20,419 --> 01:12:17,469
intellectuals using these having these

1405
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:20,429
types of conversations when news is

1406
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:24,489
presented are they concerned about the

1407
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:27,550
the emotional effects and trauma it may

1408
01:12:34,110 --> 01:12:31,090
have well all I can say is I hope so

1409
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:34,120
so I'm not part of that domain I don't

1410
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:36,159
work in the PR business and I don't know

1411
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:39,310
how the editorials and the decisions are

1412
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:41,890
made especially in TV shortly rooms but

1413
01:12:48,689 --> 01:12:44,610
I hope someone's paying attention

1414
01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:48,699
because it is it's the depending on the

1415
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:50,710
political stripe and all the rest their

1416
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:52,810
decisions constantly being made and how

1417
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:55,510
do we push people to want to watch more

1418
01:13:02,220 --> 01:12:58,570
of this and so I'd know in my own self

1419
01:13:03,959 --> 01:13:02,230
that I listen to CNN I don't watch it

1420
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:03,969
very much as I haven't doing other

1421
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:05,710
things but I haven't not kind of in the

1422
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:08,710
background mm-hmm because I part of me

1423
01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:10,510
wants to know which like wants to be

1424
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:13,060
plugged in to that worldwide media thing

1425
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:15,100
happening and I also know that as a

1426
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:16,719
result of listening to that particular

1427
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:19,420
Network as compared to Fox or with some

1428
01:13:24,959 --> 01:13:22,449
other network that I'm being biased

1429
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:24,969
I mean it's pushing a certain narrative

1430
01:13:30,570 --> 01:13:27,370
that sets how the news media work today

1431
01:13:34,260 --> 01:13:30,580
and it makes me nostalgic for someone

1432
01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:34,270
like Walter Cronkite sure so we don't

1433
01:13:38,340 --> 01:13:36,040
have personalities now that we feel that

1434
01:13:39,490 --> 01:13:38,350
we can trust implicitly because

1435
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:39,500
everything seems

1436
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:42,050
have a spin to it now and that that's

1437
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:44,080
unfortunate and we were discussing

1438
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:48,550
conscience versus consciousness earlier

1439
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:52,670
do you think that the media all of it by

1440
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:54,290
the way there I'm not going to focus on

1441
01:13:58,510 --> 01:13:55,310
one network

1442
01:14:01,810 --> 01:13:58,520
everybody's culpable these days but do

1443
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:01,820
you think that they as a collective have

1444
01:14:07,150 --> 01:14:05,080
a conscience and will at some point

1445
01:14:08,170 --> 01:14:07,160
realize that they need to pull back the

1446
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:08,180
reins a little bit

1447
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:10,490
and they can help the situation instead

1448
01:14:15,580 --> 01:14:12,790
of throwing fuel on the fire

1449
01:14:19,630 --> 01:14:15,590
well again I hope so except that it's

1450
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:19,640
profitable right and unfortunately in

1451
01:14:25,870 --> 01:14:21,650
capitalistic societies like the United

1452
01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:25,880
States profit is king everything is it

1453
01:14:30,580 --> 01:14:28,940
everything depends on profit this is one

1454
01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:30,590
of the reasons why you don't hear about

1455
01:14:35,980 --> 01:14:33,470
it too much right now but our health

1456
01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:35,990
care system is based on profit that

1457
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:40,040
means that the the the organism if you

1458
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:42,350
think of it as the hospital system is

1459
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:44,390
designed to suck as much money out of

1460
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:45,260
you as possible

1461
01:14:50,380 --> 01:14:47,690
and that's why we get these ridiculous

1462
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:50,390
bills half a million dollars for for

1463
01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:52,010
curing a toenail that that kind of

1464
01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:54,500
nonsense it's because it's based on

1465
01:15:01,390 --> 01:14:57,260
profit and so unless we're talking about

1466
01:15:04,540 --> 01:15:01,400
a societal change where we want to

1467
01:15:06,370 --> 01:15:04,550
promote health like in the old days some

1468
01:15:08,740 --> 01:15:06,380
countries you would pay the doctor only

1469
01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:08,750
when you would actually pay the doctor a

1470
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,820
small amount all the time and then if

1471
01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:12,560
you had a problem you wouldn't pay

1472
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:15,020
anymore because you've been supporting

1473
01:15:20,620 --> 01:15:18,110
that person all along they would fix you

1474
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:20,630
what with whatever it would take so

1475
01:15:25,780 --> 01:15:22,750
that's a very different kind of model

1476
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,790
and some countries have that and seem to

1477
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:27,920
be doing all right with it our country

1478
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:31,730
doesn't when we talk about entanglement

1479
01:15:38,170 --> 01:15:36,290
over the weekend actually this is all

1480
01:15:40,570 --> 01:15:38,180
one long conversation everything is

1481
01:15:42,340 --> 01:15:40,580
connected you and I have talked about

1482
01:15:44,410 --> 01:15:42,350
that before but everything is indeed

1483
01:15:47,980 --> 01:15:44,420
connected and over the weekend here in

1484
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:47,990
Los Angeles there was a protest that

1485
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,260
went from Beverly Hills

1486
01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:52,080
miles and

1487
01:15:58,580 --> 01:15:55,950
miles back all the way into Hollywood

1488
01:16:01,100 --> 01:15:58,590
and Highland in the central part of

1489
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:01,110
Hollywood have anybody knows Los Angeles

1490
01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:03,480
you do that driving a car it takes you

1491
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:07,340
30 minutes it's it's a long drive it was

1492
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:10,860
from beginning to end full of people

1493
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:14,070
it's it was well north of a hundred

1494
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:16,440
thousand they never got a final count on

1495
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:20,460
it but I look at that and I see the

1496
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:22,860
weaving through the streets you know the

1497
01:16:26,660 --> 01:16:24,150
people in the front don't know what the

1498
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:26,670
people in the back are doing but yet

1499
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:31,140
they are all connected and it seems like

1500
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:34,890
there is some type of either mild or

1501
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:37,230
direct form of entanglement going on

1502
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:40,470
there because it is also happening at

1503
01:16:45,860 --> 01:16:43,530
the same time across the United States

1504
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:45,870
and around the world is there a

1505
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:48,090
collective consciousness there you know

1506
01:16:55,220 --> 01:16:50,570
it's like a giant school of tuna almost

1507
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:55,230
is is that what is going on I think to

1508
01:17:01,360 --> 01:16:59,130
some degree we are social animals lots

1509
01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:01,370
of animals are social I think the

1510
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,240
exception are animals that are

1511
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:05,640
completely independent but humans

1512
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:08,970
certainly are drawn to other people

1513
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:12,290
because we like the feeling of the group

1514
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:16,170
so some of it is that the question is

1515
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:17,400
whether it's something more than that

1516
01:17:21,380 --> 01:17:19,500
well things happening simultaneously

1517
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:21,390
around the world now could it can be

1518
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:23,970
explained because of media you you watch

1519
01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:25,530
something and you get all excited about

1520
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:27,150
it and say well we want to do that too

1521
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:29,940
and it's true it's like if the protests

1522
01:17:36,170 --> 01:17:34,380
exploded everywhere simultaneously but

1523
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:36,180
there's there's more of an esoteric view

1524
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:38,880
of it as well and that is that you're

1525
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:41,070
saying that the everything is connected

1526
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:45,780
well there if you jump out of science

1527
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:46,890
for a moment and you put on your

1528
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:49,560
metaphysical hat see all of the esoteric

1529
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,260
traditions and by the way this is my

1530
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:53,760
fourth book which you didn't mention

1531
01:18:00,010 --> 01:17:56,370
called real magic which came out in 2018

1532
01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:00,020
that the point of that that book was to

1533
01:18:04,940 --> 01:18:02,460
look at some of the phenomena they study

1534
01:18:05,959 --> 01:18:04,950
things like telepathy and so on and and

1535
01:18:08,629 --> 01:18:05,969
try to

1536
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:08,639
come up with a model that makes sense

1537
01:18:12,979 --> 01:18:11,219
that would explain it because standard

1538
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:12,989
materialistic science doesn't do a very

1539
01:18:18,739 --> 01:18:16,050
good job right so there's three

1540
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:18,749
commonalities to all of the esoteric

1541
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,050
ideas throughout history and the

1542
01:18:26,419 --> 01:18:24,239
esoterica has been around for tens of

1543
01:18:27,739 --> 01:18:26,429
thousands of years as compared to

1544
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:27,749
science which is roughly four hundred

1545
01:18:33,589 --> 01:18:30,710
years old so the three principles our

1546
01:18:35,629 --> 01:18:33,599
consciousness is fundamental that's what

1547
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:35,639
that's basically the repeated theory

1548
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:38,010
that theme in every form of esoteric

1549
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:40,530
knowledge the second is everything is

1550
01:18:43,459 --> 01:18:41,489
interconnected

1551
01:18:45,589 --> 01:18:43,469
which is sort of a corollary of

1552
01:18:49,540 --> 01:18:45,599
consciousness is fundamental and the

1553
01:18:53,689 --> 01:18:49,550
third is there is only one consciousness

1554
01:18:55,819 --> 01:18:53,699
so all those are wrapped together and so

1555
01:18:57,410 --> 01:18:55,829
from that perspective if that is true

1556
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:57,420
and I believe that actually some of that

1557
01:19:03,020 --> 01:18:59,610
is true though those principles are

1558
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,030
actually true then even though people

1559
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,800
might be isolated somewhere and some

1560
01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:06,239
other part of the world and not paying

1561
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:08,670
attention to the media they may well

1562
01:19:14,629 --> 01:19:11,670
feel drawn together into groups to

1563
01:19:16,459 --> 01:19:14,639
protest about something or maybe not the

1564
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:16,469
protest may be to have a party or

1565
01:19:19,939 --> 01:19:17,610
something but they're going to be drawn

1566
01:19:21,979 --> 01:19:19,949
together because some aspect of

1567
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:21,989
themselves is feeling this drawing

1568
01:19:26,540 --> 01:19:24,210
together that is happening elsewhere in

1569
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:26,550
the world and and so one of the things

1570
01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:28,739
that I think will get you tonight is the

1571
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:30,420
global consciousness project which was

1572
01:19:35,989 --> 01:19:33,210
specifically designed to see if that

1573
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:35,999
idea has any merit to it that's right

1574
01:19:43,489 --> 01:19:40,800
and with and I can't wait to get to to

1575
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:43,499
that and there's some questions that are

1576
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:46,050
coming in from Twitter about that by the

1577
01:19:55,819 --> 01:19:50,729
way so we will get to that but there is

1578
01:19:59,569 --> 01:19:55,829
another part of this I realize that

1579
01:20:01,879 --> 01:19:59,579
racism continues to be an issue and

1580
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:01,889
we've got to fix so many different

1581
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:05,610
things and that black lives do matter

1582
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:09,210
and the fear of you know being black and

1583
01:20:13,879 --> 01:20:11,340
and dealing with the police is something

1584
01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:13,889
real I'm white I don't I don't have

1585
01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:15,989
those you know right it's just one of

1586
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:18,780
those things I'm not going to hide these

1587
01:20:24,510 --> 01:20:19,630
facts

1588
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:24,520
but that being said the things that we

1589
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:27,150
are seeing right now with the protest

1590
01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:31,210
about black lives matter it's black

1591
01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:33,300
lives matter but could it have been

1592
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:36,700
anything that would have ignited this is

1593
01:20:45,180 --> 01:20:39,010
there something else deep-seated going

1594
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:45,190
on here that the the the the need to

1595
01:20:51,420 --> 01:20:49,090
protest and to stand up for change is is

1596
01:20:56,490 --> 01:20:51,430
there and right you know it's black

1597
01:20:59,280 --> 01:20:56,500
lives matter that is is is what's the

1598
01:21:01,470 --> 01:20:59,290
the catalyst today but we've also been

1599
01:21:05,670 --> 01:21:01,480
locked up for three or four months and

1600
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:05,680
anything could have lit that candle yeah

1601
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:07,930
as I said we were sitting on a powder

1602
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:10,270
keg and waiting for something to ignite

1603
01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:14,830
it and racism has been a long simmering

1604
01:21:22,710 --> 01:21:18,790
problem mm-hmm for in every every

1605
01:21:26,370 --> 01:21:22,720
country actually it's not just here it

1606
01:21:29,790 --> 01:21:26,380
was a spark that you know and of course

1607
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:29,800
in the combination of the videos which

1608
01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:31,330
are now becoming more popular and

1609
01:21:36,690 --> 01:21:34,030
showing up on the news and people see

1610
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:36,700
these things and and they explode and

1611
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,270
realistically so I understand it so that

1612
01:21:45,630 --> 01:21:43,360
so that was something that was very

1613
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,640
likely to happen this in the same way

1614
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:47,440
that we knew that a pandemic was gonna

1615
01:21:53,610 --> 01:21:50,770
happen at some point we knew at some

1616
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:53,620
point something was going to spark such

1617
01:21:59,210 --> 01:21:57,280
outrage in combination with people being

1618
01:22:02,600 --> 01:21:59,220
cooped up for such a long time that

1619
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:02,610
it'll spill out in the way that it has

1620
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:08,710
the the solutions for we have and this

1621
01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:10,410
is the other thing when we talk about

1622
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:14,350
consciousness in the mind and collective

1623
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:17,290
consciousness everybody's dealing with

1624
01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:20,530
the same issues that right now have

1625
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:24,120
piled up I mean they seem insurmountable

1626
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:26,440
where there's no light at the end of the

1627
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:28,210
tunnel right and people need to have

1628
01:22:33,210 --> 01:22:32,650
hope and right now there doesn't seem to

1629
01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:33,220
be

1630
01:22:38,670 --> 01:22:36,190
answers for anybody and a way out of

1631
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:38,680
this and that goes from the individual

1632
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:42,670
like you and I all the way up to law

1633
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:45,970
enforcement to local and national

1634
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,490
governments and then on and out to the

1635
01:22:53,730 --> 01:22:50,800
rest of the world this is the reality

1636
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:53,740
that we find ourselves in so how do we

1637
01:22:58,710 --> 01:22:56,290
get to that that light at the end of the

1638
01:23:02,580 --> 01:22:58,720
tunnel well I think we're beginning to

1639
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:02,590
see it I mean look at the number of big

1640
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:04,930
corporations and small corporations that

1641
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:08,950
are explicitly changing policies as a

1642
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:11,980
result of the movement the black lives

1643
01:23:18,090 --> 01:23:15,010
matter movement you see more and more of

1644
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:18,100
them all the time we're seeing a

1645
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:20,770
government respond to this and in other

1646
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:21,850
countries as well

1647
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:25,690
so like any large social change you're

1648
01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:27,310
always pushing against the status quo

1649
01:23:31,650 --> 01:23:29,950
and you're pushing against taboos that

1650
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:31,660
have been in place for a long time

1651
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:33,970
and so I always think of things like

1652
01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:37,080
same-sex marriage as a similar kind of

1653
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:41,560
long-held taboo and activists were

1654
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:44,290
working on this for decades and then it

1655
01:23:49,290 --> 01:23:46,810
seemed like suddenly in the course of a

1656
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:49,300
couple of years like practically

1657
01:23:53,370 --> 01:23:50,650
everywhere in the world including the

1658
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:53,380
United States now it's legal it's like

1659
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:55,810
not an issue anymore the same goes for

1660
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,960
legalized marijuana the same will go for

1661
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:01,120
racism except that that is much more

1662
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:03,310
entrenched it's entrenched in a way

1663
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:05,920
which is not quite the same as same-sex

1664
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:09,280
marriage or as marijuana but almost

1665
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:13,840
driven into our DNA it's to were you

1666
01:24:19,050 --> 01:24:15,610
know we're social animals but only

1667
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:19,060
social up to a degree that seems to be

1668
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:20,560
part of our DNA going all the way back

1669
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,890
into tribalism and that's going to be a

1670
01:24:28,410 --> 01:24:26,800
much more difficult social thing to

1671
01:24:30,510 --> 01:24:28,420
change but I think it eventually will

1672
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:30,520
and it if things change like this and

1673
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:33,370
they're they're chaotic right if you're

1674
01:24:37,530 --> 01:24:35,230
pushing against something that doesn't

1675
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:37,540
want to change and it has to be forced

1676
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:39,610
it's pushed again and again and

1677
01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:41,650
eventually it crumbles and then at some

1678
01:24:45,690 --> 01:24:43,030
point people will look back at this and

1679
01:24:46,730 --> 01:24:45,700
say really people were racist how stupid

1680
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:46,740
is that

1681
01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:51,250
the the DNA aspect of this which is what

1682
01:24:57,060 --> 01:24:53,980
I was alluding to in my own primitive

1683
01:25:00,000 --> 01:24:57,070
way earlier in the show in that we are

1684
01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:00,010
reacting but we don't know why we are

1685
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:04,540
reacting that it is you know it is so

1686
01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:09,730
deep in inside of us down to DNA that we

1687
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:11,680
don't understand that but collectively

1688
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:15,730
it is there it seems that we all have it

1689
01:25:21,090 --> 01:25:18,880
dr. Raydon yeah we're primates

1690
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:21,100
we're slightly intelligent primates when

1691
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,550
you look at groups of monkeys and they

1692
01:25:30,540 --> 01:25:27,040
encounter another tribe they are not

1693
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:30,550
nice it's very rare in the primate world

1694
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:33,730
to see anything other than extreme

1695
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:38,410
aggression against the other and so why

1696
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,360
are we any different well we're not it's

1697
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:43,120
it's part of how we're hardwired so

1698
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:45,490
that's why it's so difficult to break if

1699
01:25:51,690 --> 01:25:49,600
the internet wasn't here today and I

1700
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:51,700
mean it like this when the internet

1701
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:55,930
became itself back in 1995 like oh you

1702
01:26:00,480 --> 01:25:58,210
know like the the big steps America

1703
01:26:04,710 --> 01:26:00,490
Online we're now we're connecting around

1704
01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:04,720
the world but and and now we understand

1705
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:08,820
how we can affect change in literally

1706
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:13,210
nanoseconds nanoseconds worldwide affect

1707
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:15,910
the collective consciousness but if the

1708
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:19,930
internet wasn't here today would these

1709
01:26:25,050 --> 01:26:23,230
same things be happening collectively

1710
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:25,060
with the consciousness because the

1711
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:27,310
problems are still there right all of

1712
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:29,440
these deep-seated problems would

1713
01:26:36,090 --> 01:26:32,520
everything still come to a head anyway I

1714
01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:36,100
think it would except it'd be much much

1715
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:39,160
slower you have it like the the energy

1716
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:41,350
the esoteric form of interconnectedness

1717
01:26:46,890 --> 01:26:42,820
has always been there everything's

1718
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:46,900
connected but it that doesn't have the

1719
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,600
same kind of spark to it like we're so

1720
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:51,280
driven visually we're visual creatures

1721
01:26:55,860 --> 01:26:53,410
you see a video of something horrific

1722
01:26:58,439 --> 01:26:55,870
happening that pushes everybody

1723
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,449
emotionally in a way that

1724
01:27:03,959 --> 01:27:00,639
it would be much more subtle if we

1725
01:27:05,489 --> 01:27:03,969
didn't have instant media everywhere and

1726
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:05,499
of course the other thing is that if we

1727
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:08,170
didn't have the Internet we wouldn't be

1728
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:12,400
watching all those cat videos so the we

1729
01:27:15,419 --> 01:27:13,690
would probably be a little bit more

1730
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:15,429
intelligent because maybe we'd be

1731
01:27:20,009 --> 01:27:17,530
reading books and things because they

1732
01:27:23,339 --> 01:27:20,019
the cat video phenomenon as in other

1733
01:27:26,910 --> 01:27:23,349
similar things they suck up a lot of

1734
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:26,920
attention and time and and with that

1735
01:27:31,620 --> 01:27:29,170
that is a really great point we've got

1736
01:27:34,669 --> 01:27:31,630
three minutes before the break do you

1737
01:27:37,859 --> 01:27:34,679
think that the exercising of our brain

1738
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:37,869
has taken a backseat right we don't need

1739
01:27:42,989 --> 01:27:40,690
to memorize locations or driving or

1740
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:42,999
phone numbers or names or fate you we

1741
01:27:47,549 --> 01:27:44,650
don't have to do that anymore

1742
01:27:49,290 --> 01:27:47,559
we have offloaded it to little flat

1743
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:49,300
computers that we carry around with us

1744
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:54,010
it's true so the it's you use it or you

1745
01:27:59,160 --> 01:27:56,110
lose it and it goes with memory it goes

1746
01:28:03,810 --> 01:27:59,170
with all kinds of things so yeah I think

1747
01:28:05,339 --> 01:28:03,820
we're not I know this as a as a journal

1748
01:28:07,949 --> 01:28:05,349
editor where I see manuscripts that are

1749
01:28:09,209 --> 01:28:07,959
submitted all the time people don't know

1750
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:09,219
how to write anymore

1751
01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:11,050
I mean we're talking about professionals

1752
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:13,320
scientists and scholars who can't write

1753
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,030
well that's that's discouraging and it's

1754
01:28:20,009 --> 01:28:18,400
suggest that people are so either not

1755
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:20,019
trained or not doing it enough or

1756
01:28:26,129 --> 01:28:23,409
something so yeah we're collectively

1757
01:28:27,569 --> 01:28:26,139
becoming dumber in some ways but we're

1758
01:28:29,899 --> 01:28:27,579
also gaining new skills

1759
01:28:32,609 --> 01:28:29,909
right I mean takes a certain degree of

1760
01:28:35,009 --> 01:28:32,619
skill to use a computer or a smartphone

1761
01:28:38,069 --> 01:28:35,019
so we're trading one set of skills for

1762
01:28:41,459 --> 01:28:38,079
another yeah my dollars can text like

1763
01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:41,469
nobody's business the DNA has been

1764
01:28:45,779 --> 01:28:43,780
altered for future generations

1765
01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:45,789
all children will be able to text with

1766
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:47,940
their thumbs at lightning speed and

1767
01:28:52,739 --> 01:28:50,289
that's a generational thing that is

1768
01:28:54,839 --> 01:28:52,749
happening now I firmly believe that and

1769
01:28:57,779 --> 01:28:54,849
then there's another part that goes with

1770
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:57,789
it and I've got 45 seconds in that

1771
01:29:03,209 --> 01:29:00,159
because we're not using our brains and

1772
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:03,219
we're depending so much on the internet

1773
01:29:08,759 --> 01:29:05,650
and our cell phones that if it's on the

1774
01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:08,769
internet now it must be true we don't go

1775
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:10,199
and research

1776
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,650
that becomes automatic doesn't it yep

1777
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,840
and that's a big problem that is a huge

1778
01:29:20,209 --> 01:29:17,280
problem let's take our break right here

1779
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,219
our guest tonight dr. Dean Radin so much

1780
01:29:23,959 --> 01:29:22,320
to discuss and listen I'm gonna let

1781
01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:23,969
everybody know I see what's going on

1782
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:27,030
with questions and my email and Twitter

1783
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:30,090
and I will get to all of those all right

1784
01:29:33,859 --> 01:29:32,249
that's my promise I'll be right back for

1785
01:29:39,070 --> 01:29:33,869
dr. Dean Radin after this short break

1786
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:48,899
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01:34:13,740 --> 01:34:11,400
[Applause]

1865
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:13,750
welcome back fade to black hi I am your

1866
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:17,290
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1867
01:34:21,180 --> 01:34:19,330
Dean Radin now if you ever miss a live

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1877
01:34:48,450 --> 01:34:46,900
which I have in that interview we did

1878
01:34:51,870 --> 01:34:48,460
last year about it was one of the most

1879
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fascinating conversations I've had on

1880
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:52,510
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1881
01:34:58,140 --> 01:34:54,850
I want to thank you for that and I came

1882
01:35:00,750 --> 01:34:58,150
away with I'm not gonna get into it but

1883
01:35:03,210 --> 01:35:00,760
I came away with a couple of thoughts

1884
01:35:04,620 --> 01:35:03,220
and conclusions that you presented that

1885
01:35:07,230 --> 01:35:04,630
night that have stuck with me I've

1886
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:07,240
stolen it and repeated it to this day

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01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:10,210
and I sound really smart so I thank you

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for that I want I want to tell everybody

1889
01:35:19,170 --> 01:35:16,270
and this is highly recommended you need

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01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:19,180
to go to no wedeck org the links are

1891
01:35:25,860 --> 01:35:21,070
over at Jimmy Church radio.com

1892
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:25,870
there is so much information so it's the

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01:35:31,530 --> 01:35:28,960
experiments that you can not only

1894
01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:31,540
participate in at home but all of the

1895
01:35:36,090 --> 01:35:33,640
exciting research and the goals that you

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01:35:39,630 --> 01:35:36,100
guys are trying to achieve over there

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01:35:42,780 --> 01:35:39,640
it's an absolutely first-class website

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and I just highly recommend it I spend a

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01:35:48,900 --> 01:35:44,770
lot of time over there right before the

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break you started to mention your latest

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01:35:55,340 --> 01:35:52,030
global project I want to get back into

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01:35:58,170 --> 01:35:55,350
that what is it and and what is going on

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01:36:03,930 --> 01:35:58,180
okay so the the global consciousness

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01:36:07,290 --> 01:36:03,940
project was started in 1998 by a

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01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:07,300
colleague at Princeton Roger Nelson and

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the idea was to test this hypothesis or

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this idea that mind and matter are like

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two sides of the same coin so if that is

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01:36:21,340 --> 01:36:18,760
true that that mind and matter are not

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the same but they're tightly coupled

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then we figured that during times when a

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large scale percentage of the population

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of the world was paying attention to the

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same thing that would be quite unusual

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in terms of when you think of it as a

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large-scale coherence effect it's a

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mental coherence because everyone's

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paying attention to the same thing at

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the same time so we were discussing this

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when I was at Princeton and then later

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for years we were thinking how how would

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01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,730
we go about the test if that is actually

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true and one of the first tests that I

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01:36:59,700 --> 01:36:57,200
did that was similar to this was during

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the OJ Simpson trial

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first times in modern history where the

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estimates were that at least a hundred

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million people were listening live on

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the radio and watching on TV for a

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1-second event which was in the foreman

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would say either guilty or not guilty

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right at the end of the trial well

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01:37:24,430 --> 01:37:20,960
that's that was like a perfect test case

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for our testing of this mind matter

1935
01:37:29,710 --> 01:37:27,950
interaction effect so what we did was we

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first of all if if you imagine that

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01:37:34,270 --> 01:37:31,640
there's this large-scale mental

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coherence if that's happening on the

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01:37:38,410 --> 01:37:36,650
mind side of the coin and the other side

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01:37:40,330 --> 01:37:38,420
of the coin must also go through some

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01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:40,340
kind of coherence because of this

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01:37:44,620 --> 01:37:42,650
correlation so we figured okay what

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01:37:46,990 --> 01:37:44,630
could we measure in the physical world

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01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,000
where we could detect that it suddenly

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01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:49,280
became coherent and so the obvious

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01:37:54,430 --> 01:37:51,530
answer was we could detect random events

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01:37:56,500 --> 01:37:54,440
or measure random events because by

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01:37:58,270 --> 01:37:56,510
definition a series of random events

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01:38:01,210 --> 01:37:58,280
like a random number generator is

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01:38:04,510 --> 01:38:01,220
designed to produce maximum entropy but

1951
01:38:06,610 --> 01:38:04,520
that means maximum disorder and it's

1952
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:06,620
doing it all the time that's the stream

1953
01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:08,210
of zeros and ones that are in a random

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01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:10,340
sequence and this is a hardware device

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01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:12,560
so it's truly random events that are

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traced all the way down to quantum

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01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:16,820
phenomena so we said okay we'll run

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01:38:21,190 --> 01:38:19,490
random number generators before during

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01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:21,200
and after the announcement of the

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01:38:28,660 --> 01:38:25,010
verdict for the OJ Simpson of event and

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01:38:30,460 --> 01:38:28,670
we'll make the hypothesis that within a

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01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:30,470
minute or so or right around the time

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01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:32,600
that the verdict is announced you have a

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01:38:36,730 --> 01:38:34,370
hundred million people's mind

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all become incoherent and so at that

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01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:39,980
point we would expect coherence to also

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01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:42,110
appear in the random generators because

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01:38:46,980 --> 01:38:44,540
their physical devices and how would you

1969
01:38:51,490 --> 01:38:46,990
detect it you detect it as a drop in

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01:38:54,910 --> 01:38:51,500
entropy so it would be it would be very

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01:38:58,450 --> 01:38:54,920
pragmatic black or white yes or no right

1972
01:39:00,910 --> 01:38:58,460
it's either happening or it is not right

1973
01:39:02,650 --> 01:39:00,920
so that's the beauty of coming up with a

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01:39:04,210 --> 01:39:02,660
good hypothesis and a way to test it

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01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:04,220
sure it would tell you whether you're on

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01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:06,920
the right track or not so what were that

1977
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,730
would look for then was moments of order

1978
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:12,080
appearing in devices which were designed

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01:39:17,290 --> 01:39:14,810
to produce maximum disorder and so you

1980
01:39:18,820 --> 01:39:17,300
can do that statistically very easily so

1981
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:18,830
we did that experiment we had five

1982
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:20,810
random number generators going we traced

1983
01:39:25,150 --> 01:39:22,490
before and afterwards and we found very

1984
01:39:27,490 --> 01:39:25,160
clear evidence that within a minute

1985
01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:27,500
actually less than a minute of the

1986
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:30,380
reading of the verdict we saw a very

1987
01:39:34,660 --> 01:39:32,810
significant change in the amount of

1988
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,670
randomness that was being produced by

1989
01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:36,560
the generators they were becoming less

1990
01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:38,900
random and then after the verdict was

1991
01:39:44,140 --> 01:39:41,270
read it reverted back to ordinary

1992
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:44,150
behavior so when we were discussing that

1993
01:39:49,060 --> 01:39:45,890
kind of result in lots of others like

1994
01:39:50,980 --> 01:39:49,070
that he decided Roger me and a few

1995
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:50,990
others decided to make a worldwide

1996
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:54,710
version of this because that experiment

1997
01:39:59,110 --> 01:39:56,210
required that we knew an event was

1998
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:59,120
coming up and we had all get all our

1999
01:40:01,810 --> 01:40:00,800
colleagues to run their generators and

2000
01:40:04,420 --> 01:40:01,820
we wanted something that was completely

2001
01:40:05,470 --> 01:40:04,430
automatic and also that we could take

2002
01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:05,480
advantage of things that were

2003
01:40:11,230 --> 01:40:07,490
unpredicted like big earthquakes or

2004
01:40:14,050 --> 01:40:11,240
terrorist attacks so Roger and his son

2005
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:14,060
devised a way of using the Internet as a

2006
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:16,130
way of putting random number generators

2007
01:40:21,490 --> 01:40:18,850
in major cities around the world and

2008
01:40:23,170 --> 01:40:21,500
they would produce random data every

2009
01:40:25,540 --> 01:40:23,180
second and every five minutes they'd

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01:40:28,450 --> 01:40:25,550
they would transmit all of that data up

2011
01:40:30,460 --> 01:40:28,460
to a server at Princeton and so this has

2012
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:30,470
been running continuously since August

2013
01:40:39,460 --> 01:40:34,610
of 1998 so the formal experiment there

2014
01:40:41,620 --> 01:40:39,470
was to either look in advance for

2015
01:40:44,050 --> 01:40:41,630
planned events these are things like

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01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,060
presidential elections and large-scale

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01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:46,560
meditations and things like that or

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01:40:50,630 --> 01:40:49,050
unplanned events like earthquakes and

2019
01:40:52,100 --> 01:40:50,640
terrorist attacks and deaths of

2020
01:40:54,650 --> 01:40:52,110
celebrities and things like that and

2021
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:54,660
then we would say okay this looks like

2022
01:41:00,380 --> 01:40:57,840
it it will attract tens to hundreds of

2023
01:41:02,930 --> 01:41:00,390
billions or more people at the same time

2024
01:41:05,870 --> 01:41:02,940
and we can use that period we would

2025
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:05,880
define the length of time sometimes one

2026
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:08,550
hour sometimes 24 hours based on the

2027
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:10,530
nature of the event you'd use that

2028
01:41:14,150 --> 01:41:12,090
matter a time and then we look at the

2029
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:14,160
data being produced by these generators

2030
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:16,410
around the world and to see whether or

2031
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:18,300
not it was deviating from chance

2032
01:41:24,350 --> 01:41:21,840
expectation so we did 500 formal events

2033
01:41:25,730 --> 01:41:24,360
whoa over the over the course of the 21

2034
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:25,740
years or so that this thing has been

2035
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:28,530
running right and the overall result you

2036
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:30,210
can combine the results of all of these

2037
01:41:37,850 --> 01:41:34,440
events is a seven sigma result so that

2038
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,860
means that when you cast that in terms

2039
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:40,320
of odds against chance it's three

2040
01:41:45,650 --> 01:41:43,530
trillion to one that's it so we're

2041
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:45,660
seeing deviations at times of

2042
01:41:50,230 --> 01:41:48,300
large-scale world events with odds

2043
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:50,240
against chance of three trillion to one

2044
01:41:56,630 --> 01:41:54,210
that means that is not chance we'd have

2045
01:41:58,880 --> 01:41:56,640
to run the same 20-year experiment three

2046
01:42:01,330 --> 01:41:58,890
trillion times to come up with a result

2047
01:42:03,230 --> 01:42:01,340
as good or better than what we saw so

2048
01:42:05,060 --> 01:42:03,240
that's that's not going to happen

2049
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:05,070
because there's the universe hasn't been

2050
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:07,770
around that long so that provides a

2051
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:09,780
pretty strong evidence that there's some

2052
01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:12,840
very strong relationship between mind

2053
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:15,900
and matter that is very difficult to

2054
01:42:21,740 --> 01:42:18,840
explain purely in terms of Bank brain

2055
01:42:23,660 --> 01:42:21,750
centric consciousness because talking

2056
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:23,670
about a worldwide effect that affected

2057
01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:26,000
all of the generators at the same time

2058
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:29,070
and now because of that pretty clear

2059
01:42:36,140 --> 01:42:31,320
result we're working on what we call GCP

2060
01:42:39,140 --> 01:42:36,150
- the first one was GC p1 mm-hmm the new

2061
01:42:42,770 --> 01:42:39,150
version will have well first of all the

2062
01:42:44,180 --> 01:42:42,780
GC p1 had at its peak around 75 random

2063
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,190
generators running around the world

2064
01:42:48,860 --> 01:42:46,560
today it has dropped down a little bit

2065
01:42:50,900 --> 01:42:48,870
down to around 20 and it's partially

2066
01:42:52,190 --> 01:42:50,910
because it's older technology and some

2067
01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:52,200
people have turned off their generators

2068
01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:55,110
and so on GC p2 will have several

2069
01:42:59,089 --> 01:42:56,340
thousand

2070
01:43:00,680 --> 01:42:59,099
generators that are being built with new

2071
01:43:03,620 --> 01:43:00,690
principles and have a whole bunch of

2072
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:03,630
other data that we can store at the same

2073
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,690
time and use the infrastructure of the

2074
01:43:09,859 --> 01:43:07,679
Internet of Things

2075
01:43:11,660 --> 01:43:09,869
so you'll be able to buy a little device

2076
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:11,670
we don't know how much it'll cost yet

2077
01:43:15,050 --> 01:43:12,960
maybe a hundred dollars or something

2078
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:15,060
which you would just put in your house

2079
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:18,510
somewhere and around the world we hope

2080
01:43:22,339 --> 01:43:20,010
we have thousands of these things and

2081
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:22,349
it'll constantly produce data that will

2082
01:43:27,379 --> 01:43:24,840
be recorded in the cloud and we'll be

2083
01:43:29,419 --> 01:43:27,389
able to do much more precise analyses

2084
01:43:32,689 --> 01:43:29,429
because one of the things that we wanted

2085
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:32,699
to do was to see if we could localize

2086
01:43:37,459 --> 01:43:35,369
effects we didn't have enough generators

2087
01:43:39,229 --> 01:43:37,469
around the world to be able to say if

2088
01:43:41,959 --> 01:43:39,239
there's an earthquake in Turkey

2089
01:43:43,339 --> 01:43:41,969
is there more of a consciousness effect

2090
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:43,349
there because people are paying

2091
01:43:48,260 --> 01:43:45,449
attention and if so would we see a

2092
01:43:51,050 --> 01:43:48,270
bigger change in those generators and we

2093
01:43:53,060 --> 01:43:51,060
would like in New York City right well

2094
01:43:54,910 --> 01:43:53,070
we could do that in a very rudimentary

2095
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:54,920
way because we didn't have very many

2096
01:43:58,669 --> 01:43:56,580
generators running but if we have

2097
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:58,679
thousands we'll be able to get highly

2098
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,679
specific information we think not only

2099
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:04,320
when something happens but possibly

2100
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:08,340
before it happens and this is based on a

2101
01:44:12,859 --> 01:44:10,710
number of events including 9/11 and a

2102
01:44:14,899 --> 01:44:12,869
few others where the generators are

2103
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:14,909
running and seemed to show an effect

2104
01:44:19,370 --> 01:44:16,860
that we're happening roughly 3 hours

2105
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:19,380
before it actually unfolded and of

2106
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:21,780
course if we know before hand that

2107
01:44:26,060 --> 01:44:23,250
something is going to happen in a given

2108
01:44:28,490 --> 01:44:26,070
location that becomes an extremely

2109
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:28,500
valuable tool a prediction tool so

2110
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:29,610
that's that's what we're moving towards

2111
01:44:35,959 --> 01:44:32,250
could the random I'm sure you thought

2112
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:35,969
about this but this is an honest

2113
01:44:41,780 --> 01:44:38,090
question could it be something that

2114
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:41,790
could be downloaded as an app you know

2115
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:43,409
random generator so you could have

2116
01:44:48,379 --> 01:44:45,900
potentially millions around the world on

2117
01:44:50,990 --> 01:44:48,389
cell phones or is it is it too complex

2118
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,000
and too large well so a colleague of

2119
01:44:56,689 --> 01:44:53,280
ours was working on an app an entangled

2120
01:44:58,609 --> 01:44:56,699
app just like you're saying and it is

2121
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:58,619
possible to get very close to truly

2122
01:45:03,260 --> 01:45:00,840
random numbers in most smartphones you

2123
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:03,270
use the sensors in the phone to produce

2124
01:45:07,580 --> 01:45:04,920
random numbers

2125
01:45:10,010 --> 01:45:07,590
that app was under development for a

2126
01:45:12,890 --> 01:45:10,020
couple of years I saw the beta version

2127
01:45:15,229 --> 01:45:12,900
look pretty good and so in principle we

2128
01:45:17,900 --> 01:45:15,239
could have had millions but it was never

2129
01:45:21,740 --> 01:45:17,910
finished and so it technically became

2130
01:45:24,740 --> 01:45:21,750
complex overly complex and so at least

2131
01:45:27,740 --> 01:45:24,750
for our GCP to network we're gonna go

2132
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:27,750
with the Internet of Things which makes

2133
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:29,370
it actually from a technical point of

2134
01:45:34,189 --> 01:45:32,400
view much simpler like we it's nice to

2135
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:34,199
have millions of data points coming in

2136
01:45:39,260 --> 01:45:37,440
every second it's overwhelming we

2137
01:45:41,630 --> 01:45:39,270
wouldn't even know what to do with it so

2138
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:41,640
having a few thousand generators we it

2139
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:43,920
becomes manageable in the future when we

2140
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:45,810
all have quantum computers on our desks

2141
01:45:52,610 --> 01:45:50,449
and we have petabytes in our Dropbox

2142
01:45:54,860 --> 01:45:52,620
maybe then we can handle that kind of

2143
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:54,870
data but right now we don't want to get

2144
01:45:58,610 --> 01:45:56,489
overwhelmed well you mentioned

2145
01:46:04,250 --> 01:45:58,620
meditation earlier you know speaking

2146
01:46:07,459 --> 01:46:04,260
about random number generators I I host

2147
01:46:12,010 --> 01:46:07,469
the mass meditation initiative each year

2148
01:46:15,459 --> 01:46:12,020
here in LA and last year we had about

2149
01:46:19,729 --> 01:46:15,469
20,000 people at what had one location

2150
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:19,739
here in downtown Los Angeles and to

2151
01:46:28,610 --> 01:46:25,650
watch everybody now I don't I like to

2152
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:28,620
joke and I like to have fun it's a very

2153
01:46:33,260 --> 01:46:30,840
serious moment as we're leading into

2154
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,270
this mass meditation you know in

2155
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:36,000
downtown LA but I made this little joke

2156
01:46:41,300 --> 01:46:38,449
and the joke went something like this

2157
01:46:45,380 --> 01:46:41,310
it was improvised so it wasn't like I

2158
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:45,390
had it down but the suggestion was were

2159
01:46:51,470 --> 01:46:48,719
about to do this mass meditation and

2160
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:51,480
while we're doing the meditation there

2161
01:46:57,050 --> 01:46:54,210
will be somebody in New York City some

2162
01:46:59,870 --> 01:46:57,060
grumpy old man walking down the street

2163
01:47:05,180 --> 01:46:59,880
complaining about life and is going to

2164
01:47:08,450 --> 01:47:05,190
feel an electric jolt it's gonna go wow

2165
01:47:11,330 --> 01:47:08,460
I feel kind ler and gentler and I don't

2166
01:47:12,890 --> 01:47:11,340
know why now I'm making a joke about

2167
01:47:14,930 --> 01:47:12,900
them because I'm telling everybody about

2168
01:47:16,750 --> 01:47:14,940
how exciting it is to do this mass

2169
01:47:18,730 --> 01:47:16,760
meditation and people around the world

2170
01:47:23,170 --> 01:47:18,740
going to feel this but when I make this

2171
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:23,180
suggestion it I'm not that far off the

2172
01:47:29,170 --> 01:47:23,570
mark

2173
01:47:32,350 --> 01:47:29,180
M I know there there is evidence that a

2174
01:47:34,540 --> 01:47:32,360
large scale mental effects does affect

2175
01:47:37,900 --> 01:47:34,550
the world including our bodies and

2176
01:47:40,420 --> 01:47:37,910
bodies at a distance probably the

2177
01:47:41,620 --> 01:47:40,430
best-known body of data looking at that

2178
01:47:45,790 --> 01:47:41,630
has been by the transcendental

2179
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:45,800
meditators who would meditate and then

2180
01:47:50,050 --> 01:47:47,510
look at things like crime statistics

2181
01:47:52,420 --> 01:47:50,060
usually in the vicinity and show that

2182
01:47:54,670 --> 01:47:52,430
they change I'm probably the most famous

2183
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:54,680
one was a big effort like that in

2184
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,290
Washington DC which showed very

2185
01:48:01,300 --> 01:47:59,600
interesting results suggesting that when

2186
01:48:03,790 --> 01:48:01,310
you get a large group of people who are

2187
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:03,800
particularly calm that the calm somehow

2188
01:48:12,450 --> 01:48:08,870
radiates out and so there's also this

2189
01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:12,460
lore about certain individuals who

2190
01:48:16,660 --> 01:48:15,320
radiate goodness and I've met a few

2191
01:48:18,940 --> 01:48:16,670
people like that

2192
01:48:20,830 --> 01:48:18,950
so they've met the Dalai Lama one time

2193
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:20,840
he kind of radiates goodness you can

2194
01:48:27,250 --> 01:48:24,290
feel it feel something like that and I

2195
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:27,260
met a few a lady who was in charge of a

2196
01:48:33,130 --> 01:48:29,690
large scale meditation Society in the

2197
01:48:34,420 --> 01:48:33,140
world and she - just being in her

2198
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:34,430
presence even though she wasn't

2199
01:48:38,770 --> 01:48:36,110
meditating at the time although perhaps

2200
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:38,780
at at their level they're meditating

2201
01:48:44,650 --> 01:48:42,890
constantly you can feel something you I

2202
01:48:46,300 --> 01:48:44,660
mean and I'm not even that particularly

2203
01:48:47,890 --> 01:48:46,310
sensitive to these kinds of things but

2204
01:48:50,050 --> 01:48:47,900
even I was able to feel it which is why

2205
01:48:51,900 --> 01:48:50,060
it was kind of shocking to me mm-hmm so

2206
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:51,910
you can imagine if you've got a lot of

2207
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:54,050
meditators together and they're really

2208
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:55,730
on the same wavelength and that seems to

2209
01:49:00,580 --> 01:48:59,360
be an important point here that if you

2210
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:00,590
have a large number of people but

2211
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:03,170
they're not coherent they're not in

2212
01:49:07,570 --> 01:49:05,210
alignment with each other you could end

2213
01:49:09,940 --> 01:49:07,580
up with nothing it's like I use a

2214
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:09,950
metaphor of a soap bubble soap bubble is

2215
01:49:14,140 --> 01:49:11,690
a real structure it could persist for

2216
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:14,150
quite a while but it takes only one

2217
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,490
thing slightly at a step to break the

2218
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:18,800
bubble so the kind of coherence we're

2219
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:21,650
talking about mentally is like that soap

2220
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:23,690
bubble it can be created as a physical

2221
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:25,370
thing it affects the physical world

2222
01:49:30,340 --> 01:49:27,710
including our bodies and minds

2223
01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:30,350
and other people as well but there's

2224
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:32,750
also a flip side the flip side is you

2225
01:49:37,870 --> 01:49:35,210
can have organizations around the world

2226
01:49:41,140 --> 01:49:37,880
who have very bad intent and they're

2227
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:41,150
very much in alignment and so you wake

2228
01:49:46,060 --> 01:49:43,280
up one day and you're feeling very out

2229
01:49:48,940 --> 01:49:46,070
of sorts and kind of angry with no

2230
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:48,950
apparent cause well maybe it's because

2231
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:50,930
there's some group on the other side of

2232
01:49:55,930 --> 01:49:53,510
the planet that is sending you bad

2233
01:49:58,900 --> 01:49:55,940
thoughts focuses you but a lot of people

2234
01:50:00,970 --> 01:49:58,910
right so we're talking about it I would

2235
01:50:03,190 --> 01:50:00,980
I think of it as a natural phenomenon

2236
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:03,200
it's like a force like an electrical

2237
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:05,450
force it can be good or bad it has

2238
01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:08,510
different charges how we use it how we

2239
01:50:14,050 --> 01:50:11,960
wish to use it is up to us but it it's

2240
01:50:19,209 --> 01:50:14,060
simply a fact of nature it's the way

2241
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:19,219
things work now you're a you you to me

2242
01:50:23,770 --> 01:50:21,530
very balanced your feet are on the

2243
01:50:26,500 --> 01:50:23,780
ground and I can't imagine you getting

2244
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:26,510
your feet more on the ground or being

2245
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:28,730
more balanced but you meet the Dalai

2246
01:50:36,190 --> 01:50:33,110
Lama that's pretty cool and you got

2247
01:50:39,220 --> 01:50:36,200
inside that soap bubble right when you

2248
01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:39,230
what when when you walked away were you

2249
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:43,190
an even more grounded kind ler gentler

2250
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:48,410
dr. Dean Radin than before I don't think

2251
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:48,800
so

2252
01:50:55,810 --> 01:50:53,510
no I mean at the time it was part of a

2253
01:51:00,910 --> 01:50:55,820
small group and he was going to give a

2254
01:51:04,090 --> 01:51:00,920
talk and I gave a little talk it was

2255
01:51:06,430 --> 01:51:04,100
adjusted in in a way where because he's

2256
01:51:09,010 --> 01:51:06,440
at the same time as a world as a leader

2257
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:09,020
of a cup of a country he had his

2258
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:11,570
equivalent of his Secret Service like

2259
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:14,239
everywhere checking everyone out making

2260
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:17,360
sure the place was safe and so on so it

2261
01:51:23,530 --> 01:51:20,960
had a bit of a overlay on the event that

2262
01:51:27,370 --> 01:51:23,540
made it not like a typical meditation

2263
01:51:29,709 --> 01:51:27,380
event but even in that context he was

2264
01:51:34,630 --> 01:51:29,719
radiating something right awfully good

2265
01:51:36,010 --> 01:51:34,640
what what when if you could I don't know

2266
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:36,020
what you discussed with him or if you

2267
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:38,570
spoke to him at all but when we talked

2268
01:51:43,290 --> 01:51:39,970
about the mind of the

2269
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:43,300
in consciousness given the opportunity

2270
01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:47,050
to ask him what is going on what would

2271
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:52,420
you ask him I would probably ask him

2272
01:52:00,810 --> 01:51:55,810
about the Oracle which is part of the

2273
01:52:03,420 --> 01:52:00,820
Tibetan the the government that the

2274
01:52:07,050 --> 01:52:03,430
government is partially Western

2275
01:52:09,570 --> 01:52:07,060
partially Eastern and quite a bit of

2276
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:09,580
esoteric ideas that are thrown in as

2277
01:52:16,230 --> 01:52:11,890
well so the the Oracle if somebody was

2278
01:52:19,740 --> 01:52:16,240
assigned to help people like the Dalai

2279
01:52:22,590 --> 01:52:19,750
Lama and others in government to

2280
01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:22,600
forecast what is happening in a psychic

2281
01:52:26,190 --> 01:52:24,910
way and so they don't they don't see the

2282
01:52:28,650 --> 01:52:26,200
strange they see it as part of their

2283
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:28,660
tradition and their stories that they

2284
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:31,210
give on why they believe that it's

2285
01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:35,440
something that's real so I would ask him

2286
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:37,420
given that he's the dalai lama in

2287
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:40,030
particular has held four dialogues with

2288
01:52:46,530 --> 01:52:42,370
scientists and scholars around the world

2289
01:52:48,900 --> 01:52:46,540
for many years those dialogues many

2290
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:48,910
times the dalai lama and is the other

2291
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:50,260
monks would bring up ideas of

2292
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:53,770
reincarnation and Oracle's and things of

2293
01:52:59,340 --> 01:52:56,170
that sort and Western scientists just

2294
01:53:01,110 --> 01:52:59,350
they blanch because they don't want to

2295
01:53:02,820 --> 01:53:01,120
talk about it they don't want to say

2296
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:02,830
something to the dalai lama saying no

2297
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:04,330
that's nonsense that he's never going to

2298
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:07,930
say that through to him but so they

2299
01:53:12,540 --> 01:53:10,000
either say well we're science doesn't

2300
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:12,550
know anything about this or we're not

2301
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:15,280
prepared to talk about that i'd like to

2302
01:53:20,130 --> 01:53:17,920
have a meeting where we're specifically

2303
01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:20,140
talking about that and gain their

2304
01:53:26,190 --> 01:53:23,580
insight then on how how best science can

2305
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:26,200
grasp those concepts in a way that

2306
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:29,920
doesn't cause violence to the the

2307
01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:33,370
prevailing view of reality so i mean i'm

2308
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:34,630
comfortable with with those ideas

2309
01:53:39,810 --> 01:53:35,920
because that those are the kinds of

2310
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:39,820
phenomena that i study but I haven't had

2311
01:53:46,170 --> 01:53:44,080
the opportunity to do that yet when I've

2312
01:53:50,140 --> 01:53:46,180
often wondered when it comes to the

2313
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:50,150
Dalai Lama and the the

2314
01:53:56,570 --> 01:53:53,010
reincarnation aspect and how he was

2315
01:54:00,680 --> 01:53:56,580
located and who he is right and and and

2316
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:00,690
and watching him grow up that you just

2317
01:54:05,690 --> 01:54:03,480
mentioned this that there are groups

2318
01:54:07,730 --> 01:54:05,700
from around the world scientists and

2319
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:07,740
intellectuals and researchers trying to

2320
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:09,330
figure out consciousness in the brain

2321
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:12,540
that go to him for consultation where

2322
01:54:18,020 --> 01:54:16,290
does he get his knowledge from that's

2323
01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:18,030
the part because they stop and they

2324
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:20,760
listen to every word right they're

2325
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:23,130
taking notes and they're going back to

2326
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:25,530
their universities and countries to

2327
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:28,290
continue their research you know based

2328
01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:31,050
on the conversations and the meetings

2329
01:54:37,220 --> 01:54:33,480
that they've had with him but where does

2330
01:54:39,380 --> 01:54:37,230
he get his knowledge from well he he was

2331
01:54:43,550 --> 01:54:39,390
tutored extensively in Western knowledge

2332
01:54:46,580 --> 01:54:43,560
so so he is quite wise from that

2333
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:46,590
perspective and has the same amount of

2334
01:54:52,580 --> 01:54:48,570
tutoring about Eastern knowledge

2335
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:52,590
Buddhism so he is a embodiment of

2336
01:54:57,740 --> 01:54:54,930
somebody who has pulled both sides

2337
01:55:00,110 --> 01:54:57,750
together in not in a way where it's

2338
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:00,120
fighting with each other but is

2339
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:03,570
integrated it in a natural way so it

2340
01:55:08,150 --> 01:55:05,610
makes sense then for Western scientists

2341
01:55:09,590 --> 01:55:08,160
and by Western I don't mean just the

2342
01:55:11,570 --> 01:55:09,600
western part of the world but it's

2343
01:55:15,260 --> 01:55:11,580
science in general as like Western

2344
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:15,270
science Western scientists who are not

2345
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:16,890
involved in Buddhism and maybe they

2346
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:17,970
don't meditate and they don't think

2347
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:21,330
about psychic phenomena they're they're

2348
01:55:26,780 --> 01:55:24,420
pulled into a kind of awe state like

2349
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:26,790
here's a person who very smart they

2350
01:55:30,530 --> 01:55:28,650
knows he knows a lot about science and

2351
01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:30,540
politics and scholarship and or lots of

2352
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:33,600
other things and at the same time he's

2353
01:55:36,530 --> 01:55:35,040
talking about reincarnation and

2354
01:55:37,730 --> 01:55:36,540
precognition and all that well how can

2355
01:55:40,610 --> 01:55:37,740
that be right

2356
01:55:42,410 --> 01:55:40,620
so I think that's very useful then for

2357
01:55:44,630 --> 01:55:42,420
scientists and scholars to be in the

2358
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:44,640
presence of somebody like that because

2359
01:55:52,130 --> 01:55:47,250
it's very difficult for a classically

2360
01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:52,140
Western trained scientist or academic to

2361
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:55,350
feel comfortable with this other side of

2362
01:56:01,580 --> 01:55:58,440
ourselves which i think is a pity that's

2363
01:56:03,300 --> 01:56:01,590
simply the way our education works but

2364
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:03,310
it's useful then for

2365
01:56:08,220 --> 01:56:05,590
this is why people are drawn to him and

2366
01:56:10,970 --> 01:56:08,230
when and that's that's one of the best

2367
01:56:14,010 --> 01:56:10,980
points that we can make tonight because

2368
01:56:15,810 --> 01:56:14,020
then we are forced to and when you say

2369
01:56:19,340 --> 01:56:15,820
Western let's just say the rest of the

2370
01:56:23,850 --> 01:56:19,350
world is what we're talking about Oh at

2371
01:56:26,190 --> 01:56:23,860
what is our reality it what you know

2372
01:56:31,050 --> 01:56:26,200
does it encompass everything that that

2373
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:31,060
not only he is suggesting but that the

2374
01:56:35,970 --> 01:56:33,040
metaphysical side in the conscious

2375
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:35,980
community speaks about but that's not

2376
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:39,370
part of everybody else's reality you

2377
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:40,810
know where does it start and where does

2378
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,040
it end and again it spends a lot of the

2379
01:56:49,650 --> 01:56:46,960
answer to that question depends on

2380
01:56:51,420 --> 01:56:49,660
whether your worldview is grounded in

2381
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:51,430
materialism right or whether it's

2382
01:56:58,050 --> 01:56:53,890
grounded in idealism or some flavor some

2383
01:57:00,480 --> 01:56:58,060
other flavor ultimately people believe

2384
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:00,490
what they want to believe and if

2385
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:02,050
somebody comes from a very religious

2386
01:57:05,210 --> 01:57:03,370
background they have an extremely

2387
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:05,220
different view of the nature of reality

2388
01:57:10,230 --> 01:57:08,080
if they are trained in a scientific

2389
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:10,240
background they have a different view

2390
01:57:16,010 --> 01:57:12,880
again they're a little a person each

2391
01:57:18,630 --> 01:57:16,020
person is seeing the world not clearly

2392
01:57:21,420 --> 01:57:18,640
we can't see the world clearly because

2393
01:57:25,410 --> 01:57:21,430
we're as an individual we are not able

2394
01:57:27,870 --> 01:57:25,420
to accompany off of the world to see it

2395
01:57:30,570 --> 01:57:27,880
in a clearer way but one of the reasons

2396
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:30,580
why I meditate is partially because it's

2397
01:57:36,570 --> 01:57:34,510
physically good but also it helps calm

2398
01:57:40,610 --> 01:57:36,580
down the mind it helps clear those

2399
01:57:43,260 --> 01:57:40,620
lenses that we see the world through

2400
01:57:46,890 --> 01:57:43,270
most of the people that I know who are

2401
01:57:49,710 --> 01:57:46,900
meditators scientists in particular are

2402
01:57:52,170 --> 01:57:49,720
way more open to the idea that we don't

2403
01:57:54,870 --> 01:57:52,180
actually know that much about reality

2404
01:57:56,850 --> 01:57:54,880
science has done quite a good job on it

2405
01:57:59,220 --> 01:57:56,860
and explaining certain things but there

2406
01:58:01,440 --> 01:57:59,230
is a huge amount that we don't really

2407
01:58:02,810 --> 01:58:01,450
know very well yet and they don't want

2408
01:58:06,510 --> 01:58:02,820
to they don't want to take the time

2409
01:58:08,190 --> 01:58:06,520
either well it's true I mean we're all

2410
01:58:10,590 --> 01:58:08,200
busy doing whatever we're doing so you

2411
01:58:12,270 --> 01:58:10,600
can't learn everything right and

2412
01:58:14,210 --> 01:58:12,280
especially in the academic world you're

2413
01:58:16,919 --> 01:58:14,220
trained to be an expert in one thing

2414
01:58:18,449 --> 01:58:16,929
it's difficult to get off of that track

2415
01:58:20,959 --> 01:58:18,459
you probably can't remain in the

2416
01:58:24,199 --> 01:58:20,969
academic world if you're a polymath

2417
01:58:27,299 --> 01:58:24,209
who's interested in learning everything

2418
01:58:30,299 --> 01:58:27,309
so there's all kinds of social pressures

2419
01:58:33,569 --> 01:58:30,309
that pull us away from trying to get a

2420
01:58:35,489 --> 01:58:33,579
clear view of the way things are so my

2421
01:58:39,209 --> 01:58:35,499
particular meditation style is vapp

2422
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:39,219
asana which would translate it I think

2423
01:58:44,850 --> 01:58:42,130
from Sanskrit means to to see the world

2424
01:58:46,109 --> 01:58:44,860
the way it is that's what it is so

2425
01:58:48,449 --> 01:58:46,119
that's been translated now to

2426
01:58:51,390 --> 01:58:48,459
mindfulness meditation which is popular

2427
01:58:53,790 --> 01:58:51,400
everywhere and it's all about seeing the

2428
01:58:56,339 --> 01:58:53,800
world the way it is as best as you can

2429
01:58:58,439 --> 01:58:56,349
rather than projecting upon it through

2430
01:59:00,359 --> 01:58:58,449
through the lenses that were from our

2431
01:59:05,879 --> 01:59:00,369
culture and our education and so on

2432
01:59:10,549 --> 01:59:05,889
last month Sean Carroll I'm reading his

2433
01:59:13,169 --> 01:59:10,559
new book and he's doing an interview

2434
01:59:15,719 --> 01:59:13,179
about the book and I'm listening to it

2435
01:59:17,459 --> 01:59:15,729
and he says this and he's a great

2436
01:59:19,709 --> 01:59:17,469
physicist and I appreciate and respect

2437
01:59:25,259 --> 01:59:19,719
him but this is what he says doctor and

2438
01:59:27,779 --> 01:59:25,269
he goes yes the the multiverse is blah

2439
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:27,789
blah blah and there are infinite

2440
01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:31,360
versions of you that exist out in a

2441
01:59:38,699 --> 01:59:35,170
parallel stance to the left and to the

2442
01:59:41,310 --> 01:59:38,709
right this is reality and this is part

2443
01:59:45,689 --> 01:59:41,320
of my research but I don't believe in

2444
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:45,699
ghosts Yeah right

2445
01:59:51,750 --> 01:59:48,610
right right it doesn't make any sense

2446
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:51,760
and then the interviewer said well why

2447
01:59:55,649 --> 01:59:53,650
he said well first off I don't have the

2448
01:59:58,410 --> 01:59:55,659
time to worry about stuff that that

2449
02:00:02,129 --> 01:59:58,420
isn't real mm-hmm but but yet the

2450
02:00:04,169 --> 02:00:02,139
multiverse is real this is a great

2451
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:04,179
example of the lenses that he has

2452
02:00:09,569 --> 02:00:07,570
created are based in pretty solid

2453
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:09,579
mathematics and multi-dimensional

2454
02:00:15,629 --> 02:00:12,249
mathematics and so on and he lives in

2455
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:15,639
that so the his lenses for him are

2456
02:00:23,850 --> 02:00:19,510
completely natural he sees it but this

2457
02:00:26,069 --> 02:00:23,860
is also why he cannot see almost

2458
02:00:28,620 --> 02:00:26,079
literally cannot see that there's an

2459
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:28,630
enormous amount of evidence for

2460
02:00:34,299 --> 02:00:30,130
apparitions for

2461
02:00:38,049 --> 02:00:34,309
ESP for lots of other things so he's not

2462
02:00:40,540 --> 02:00:38,059
attuned to it he can't see it do you

2463
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:40,550
think if he went up to noetic and hung

2464
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:45,050
out with the ions group that his eyes

2465
02:00:50,530 --> 02:00:48,050
could be opened or there's no chance of

2466
02:00:53,020 --> 02:00:50,540
it or any of the professional physicists

2467
02:00:56,500 --> 02:00:53,030
out there well there certainly are some

2468
02:00:59,200 --> 02:00:56,510
physicists who who completely accept the

2469
02:01:01,000 --> 02:00:59,210
data usually because they have their own

2470
02:01:02,770 --> 02:01:01,010
experiences they're looking for

2471
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:02,780
confirmation that it wasn't a

2472
02:01:08,140 --> 02:01:06,290
hallucination right because the the

2473
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:08,150
psychic phenomena are perfectly natural

2474
02:01:12,100 --> 02:01:10,610
and happened to everybody except people

2475
02:01:15,069 --> 02:01:12,110
who really really don't want to believe

2476
02:01:16,479 --> 02:01:15,079
it they can suppress it whether this is

2477
02:01:17,919 --> 02:01:16,489
one of the stories I write in real magic

2478
02:01:20,950 --> 02:01:17,929
where I'm talking about Michael Shermer

2479
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:20,960
was a very well-known skeptic publishes

2480
02:01:28,030 --> 02:01:25,730
a skeptic magazine and he of course his

2481
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:28,040
whole career is denying the reality of

2482
02:01:32,770 --> 02:01:31,130
psychic phenomena except for one very

2483
02:01:36,819 --> 02:01:32,780
strange column that he wrote in

2484
02:01:39,189 --> 02:01:36,829
Scientific American where he talks about

2485
02:01:41,609 --> 02:01:39,199
this strange event that happened where

2486
02:01:44,109 --> 02:01:41,619
he said it shook him to his core that

2487
02:01:45,729 --> 02:01:44,119
something bizarre happened and we should

2488
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:45,739
be much more open to these kinds of

2489
02:01:52,899 --> 02:01:48,290
events and it was sort of a ghost like

2490
02:01:54,549 --> 02:01:52,909
in the event so two years later he

2491
02:01:57,580 --> 02:01:54,559
writes a column where he completely

2492
02:01:58,750 --> 02:01:57,590
denies all of it he said we shouldn't

2493
02:02:00,040 --> 02:01:58,760
study these things because they're

2494
02:02:02,229 --> 02:02:00,050
impossible and we shouldn't even pay

2495
02:02:04,750 --> 02:02:02,239
attention to it and that in a sense

2496
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:04,760
shows that once your your lenses are in

2497
02:02:08,890 --> 02:02:08,000
place you can momentarily experience

2498
02:02:11,439 --> 02:02:08,900
something that it could be really

2499
02:02:13,810 --> 02:02:11,449
shocking to you but if it's too shocking

2500
02:02:16,510 --> 02:02:13,820
your psychological state will come into

2501
02:02:19,629 --> 02:02:16,520
play and readjust your lenses so you've

2502
02:02:21,069 --> 02:02:19,639
erased it and so the this is suppression

2503
02:02:22,870 --> 02:02:21,079
this is a well-known psychological

2504
02:02:25,660 --> 02:02:22,880
effect that happens when you simply

2505
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:25,670
don't want to see certain things we need

2506
02:02:30,490 --> 02:02:27,110
to take our break right here let's do

2507
02:02:33,819 --> 02:02:30,500
that but I yeah but try to get Michael

2508
02:02:36,129 --> 02:02:33,829
Shermer to go into a haunted house we'll

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02:02:38,410 --> 02:02:36,139
be right back after this show prank our

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welcome back fade to black Camaro semi

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church I guess tonight dr. Dean Radin

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what a great conversation and you need

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02:06:55,540 --> 02:06:52,939
to go and click on noetic

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dot org the links over at Jimmy Church

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02:06:58,899 --> 02:06:56,389
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it is the reason to have the internet

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we've been talking about the internet

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all night tonight and truly one of the

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02:07:09,100 --> 02:07:06,530
great stopping points on all of the

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02:07:11,169 --> 02:07:09,110
interweb that is out there noetic org

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02:07:14,020 --> 02:07:11,179
now doctor right now I've got a bunch of

2610
02:07:17,949 --> 02:07:14,030
questions here that have been sent in

2611
02:07:20,169 --> 02:07:17,959
and I just kind of yeah we can do a sort

2612
02:07:22,389 --> 02:07:20,179
of rapid fire and and go through these

2613
02:07:29,049 --> 02:07:22,399
are you ready sure

2614
02:07:31,509 --> 02:07:29,059
okay this comes in from R and s is there

2615
02:07:33,939 --> 02:07:31,519
a version of the Princeton global

2616
02:07:37,290 --> 02:07:33,949
consciousness project currently running

2617
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:37,300
if so what's the effect of the lockdown

2618
02:07:46,810 --> 02:07:42,050
been on global coherence the answer is

2619
02:07:49,029 --> 02:07:46,820
yes the website is global - mind org

2620
02:07:52,270 --> 02:07:49,039
where you can see what's happening

2621
02:07:55,540 --> 02:07:52,280
there's currently about 25 random

2622
02:07:59,229 --> 02:07:55,550
generators going and I just recently did

2623
02:08:05,169 --> 02:07:59,239
a long-term trend analysis because we

2624
02:08:07,929 --> 02:08:05,179
have 22 years of data now and so that

2625
02:08:10,529 --> 02:08:07,939
trend by I've I haven't published this

2626
02:08:14,319 --> 02:08:10,539
yet but what you see on it are two very

2627
02:08:15,879 --> 02:08:14,329
sharp negative Peaks both of which are

2628
02:08:19,020 --> 02:08:15,889
probably significant but I haven't

2629
02:08:22,319 --> 02:08:19,030
analyzed that yet so the two peaks are

2630
02:08:26,500 --> 02:08:22,329
one is Hurricane Katrina where you see a

2631
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:26,510
very sharp negative going peak the other

2632
02:08:33,310 --> 02:08:30,530
one is kovat so Cove it is dropping

2633
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,320
drops through the floor so on the graph

2634
02:08:38,139 --> 02:08:35,599
the way that I put it is I can't

2635
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:38,149
actually show the bottom of where that

2636
02:08:44,439 --> 02:08:41,090
spike goes because it it would require

2637
02:08:45,819 --> 02:08:44,449
making the graph too tall in other words

2638
02:08:48,549 --> 02:08:45,829
it really is dropping through the

2639
02:08:52,029 --> 02:08:48,559
through the floor we don't have enough

2640
02:08:54,250 --> 02:08:52,039
data yet to be able to know when it

2641
02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:54,260
stops but it's going straight down

2642
02:09:00,460 --> 02:08:57,770
and so I marked in there just as a

2643
02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:00,470
arbitrary place at January 1st is when

2644
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:04,130
it would became big around the world we

2645
02:09:07,810 --> 02:09:06,170
don't at this point know exactly when it

2646
02:09:10,150 --> 02:09:07,820
started maybe November or something like

2647
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:10,160
that but by January 1st it behaved was

2648
02:09:14,190 --> 02:09:11,840
really on everybody's radar even though

2649
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:14,200
it wasn't a big deal in this country yet

2650
02:09:21,940 --> 02:09:19,610
but it was elsewhere and so by far over

2651
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:21,950
the past 21 years that is the biggest

2652
02:09:28,690 --> 02:09:25,730
event and the reason the slow-moving

2653
02:09:30,340 --> 02:09:28,700
trends are very different than the

2654
02:09:31,780 --> 02:09:30,350
analyses that we've done previously

2655
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:31,790
because all of those were basically

2656
02:09:36,250 --> 02:09:34,010
something that would last between a few

2657
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:36,260
hours and the day right whereas this is

2658
02:09:41,140 --> 02:09:39,170
a matter of many months so it requires

2659
02:09:44,230 --> 02:09:41,150
21 years of data in order to be able to

2660
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:44,240
see it but it's big is it do you

2661
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:46,880
anticipate I haven't seen the graph

2662
02:09:53,620 --> 02:09:50,960
myself but knowing how graphs are laid

2663
02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:53,630
out in the visual side with the linear

2664
02:09:59,860 --> 02:09:56,960
timeline and the results on one side in

2665
02:10:02,020 --> 02:09:59,870
a timeline or the however you've got the

2666
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:02,030
graph laid out but do you anticipate

2667
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:05,570
this through the floor stance of the

2668
02:10:13,420 --> 02:10:09,050
graph to be there for four months is

2669
02:10:16,450 --> 02:10:13,430
that how I'm visualizing it well we we

2670
02:10:18,610 --> 02:10:16,460
don't know yet because the the line at

2671
02:10:21,150 --> 02:10:18,620
this point doesn't show any rebound

2672
02:10:24,610 --> 02:10:21,160
that's what I mean so right now it's

2673
02:10:27,490 --> 02:10:24,620
January February March April May June

2674
02:10:30,370 --> 02:10:27,500
right all of that on the graph is

2675
02:10:33,100 --> 02:10:30,380
through the floor yep Wow it's straight

2676
02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:33,110
down incredible incredible this comes in

2677
02:10:40,990 --> 02:10:37,730
from Jase J says is it true we would go

2678
02:10:49,570 --> 02:10:41,000
insane if we figure out exactly how the

2679
02:10:51,490 --> 02:10:49,580
brain works I don't think so no the

2680
02:10:53,530 --> 02:10:51,500
thing is that you know well from a

2681
02:10:55,540 --> 02:10:53,540
scientific perspective we'll probably

2682
02:10:59,140 --> 02:10:55,550
never know exactly how anything works

2683
02:11:02,050 --> 02:10:59,150
I think III it's attributed to Einstein

2684
02:11:05,260 --> 02:11:02,060
that you you can't understand something

2685
02:11:07,300 --> 02:11:05,270
at the same level they are as you're

2686
02:11:07,900 --> 02:11:07,310
your problem so if we're trying to

2687
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:07,910
understand

2688
02:11:12,910 --> 02:11:09,890
and consciousness using consciousness

2689
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:12,920
there's almost a logical limit to how

2690
02:11:16,990 --> 02:11:15,170
much you could actually know in terms of

2691
02:11:19,690 --> 02:11:17,000
brain function at least the physical

2692
02:11:21,790 --> 02:11:19,700
portion of the brain we we can and we'll

2693
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:21,800
know much more about it we already know

2694
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:24,650
quite a bit but there's an enormous

2695
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:27,410
amount left to learn and at some point

2696
02:11:32,380 --> 02:11:30,290
we one of the reasons why scientists

2697
02:11:35,290 --> 02:11:32,390
tend to specialize and then sub

2698
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:35,300
specialized and even more you specialize

2699
02:11:40,540 --> 02:11:37,730
in very very narrow areas because

2700
02:11:44,830 --> 02:11:40,550
there's so much to know that you can't

2701
02:11:46,900 --> 02:11:44,840
shove it all into your head so it's at

2702
02:11:49,450 --> 02:11:46,910
some point there's a limitation in terms

2703
02:11:50,820 --> 02:11:49,460
of what any one person can know and the

2704
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:50,830
likelihood of being able to actually

2705
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:52,970
cram everything into your head that

2706
02:11:58,420 --> 02:11:55,520
would understand the exact workings of

2707
02:12:00,010 --> 02:11:58,430
the brain I don't think we can do it as

2708
02:12:02,050 --> 02:12:00,020
Homo sapiens we'd have to be some other

2709
02:12:04,950 --> 02:12:02,060
kinds of species you have to figure that

2710
02:12:07,330 --> 02:12:04,960
out yeah that makes sense or AI yeah

2711
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:07,340
let's see but then the AI might

2712
02:12:11,500 --> 02:12:09,290
understand it but it'll be so complex it

2713
02:12:13,480 --> 02:12:11,510
couldn't explain it to us I want to

2714
02:12:15,790 --> 02:12:13,490
before I let you go tonight I want to

2715
02:12:20,590 --> 02:12:15,800
circle back to AI in consciousness

2716
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:20,600
briefly this comes in from JT JT says I

2717
02:12:26,530 --> 02:12:23,360
thought I heard once that in the womb

2718
02:12:30,340 --> 02:12:26,540
the heart develops first the brain later

2719
02:12:33,610 --> 02:12:30,350
if so does the heart have a form of

2720
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:33,620
consciousness well there are those who

2721
02:12:38,530 --> 02:12:35,930
say that there's definitely a

2722
02:12:40,450 --> 02:12:38,540
relationship between the activity of the

2723
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:40,460
brain and the heart I mean there are

2724
02:12:48,820 --> 02:12:44,890
neurons that connect the two directly so

2725
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:48,830
some people have of course many many

2726
02:12:52,090 --> 02:12:50,330
years ago in the medieval times people

2727
02:12:54,070 --> 02:12:52,100
thought that your awareness was in your

2728
02:12:55,750 --> 02:12:54,080
heart and that the brain was a cooling

2729
02:12:57,340 --> 02:12:55,760
system for your blood it didn't do

2730
02:12:58,930 --> 02:12:57,350
anything else

2731
02:13:00,820 --> 02:12:58,940
well now we understand a little bit

2732
02:13:03,490 --> 02:13:00,830
better about what's going on but the

2733
02:13:06,010 --> 02:13:03,500
heart does contain similar astrocytes

2734
02:13:08,670 --> 02:13:06,020
and neurons like the brain there are

2735
02:13:11,050 --> 02:13:08,680
people talk about heart intelligence

2736
02:13:12,820 --> 02:13:11,060
probably the best known place for

2737
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:12,830
promoting that idea is the Institute of

2738
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:16,960
heart mouth which has developed it to to

2739
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:20,570
refined science the idea that the true

2740
02:13:23,410 --> 02:13:21,650
intelligence comes from

2741
02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:23,420
the heart and the brain is kind of a

2742
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:25,970
secondary follower I don't I don't

2743
02:13:30,190 --> 02:13:27,770
happen to hold that idea I think both of

2744
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:30,200
them are important obviously and that

2745
02:13:33,820 --> 02:13:31,760
the brain is probably more engaged in

2746
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:33,830
actual cognition and memory and the

2747
02:13:38,260 --> 02:13:36,290
heart but you know there's still a lot

2748
02:13:41,500 --> 02:13:38,270
to learn well you know the old saying

2749
02:13:43,090 --> 02:13:41,510
right follow your heart right which

2750
02:13:46,750 --> 02:13:43,100
could be a metaphor for follow your

2751
02:13:50,290 --> 02:13:46,760
intuition or follow your emotions rather

2752
02:13:53,830 --> 02:13:50,300
than the organ itself this comes in from

2753
02:13:56,680 --> 02:13:53,840
serenity does consciousness stop when

2754
02:13:59,860 --> 02:13:56,690
the brain body dies well there you go

2755
02:14:02,620 --> 02:13:59,870
the the ongoing question but there it is

2756
02:14:05,770 --> 02:14:02,630
right is there some form of survival of

2757
02:14:08,290 --> 02:14:05,780
consciousness well if you if you take a

2758
02:14:09,970 --> 02:14:08,300
mainstream scientific perspective when

2759
02:14:12,730 --> 02:14:09,980
the brain stops you're dead that's the

2760
02:14:15,130 --> 02:14:12,740
end of it if you look at the actual

2761
02:14:18,850 --> 02:14:15,140
phenomena that people report the answer

2762
02:14:21,490 --> 02:14:18,860
is much more complex probably the the

2763
02:14:24,670 --> 02:14:21,500
largest body of anecdotal evidence as

2764
02:14:26,530 --> 02:14:24,680
near-death experiences so they are if

2765
02:14:28,360 --> 02:14:26,540
you have a heart attack roughly 30

2766
02:14:30,910 --> 02:14:28,370
seconds later you're flatlined your

2767
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:30,920
brain is not working anymore and yet

2768
02:14:36,820 --> 02:14:34,010
people report experiences so there's

2769
02:14:39,370 --> 02:14:36,830
there's like one set of data suggesting

2770
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:39,380
that people remain some kind of

2771
02:14:45,420 --> 02:14:40,850
consciousness some kind of awareness

2772
02:14:47,410 --> 02:14:45,430
even though their body is dead by by all

2773
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:47,420
conventional ways of thinking about life

2774
02:14:52,420 --> 02:14:50,090
and death there's also a lot of other

2775
02:14:56,410 --> 02:14:52,430
evidence so there's something called

2776
02:14:59,620 --> 02:14:56,420
terminal lucidity which is quite odd in

2777
02:15:01,840 --> 02:14:59,630
which people with severe dementia or

2778
02:15:05,140 --> 02:15:01,850
Alzheimer's or have been in coma for

2779
02:15:07,570 --> 02:15:05,150
long periods of time and are basically

2780
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:07,580
like a vegetable they're not responsive

2781
02:15:14,410 --> 02:15:11,570
that hours before they die they suddenly

2782
02:15:15,850 --> 02:15:14,420
become lucid they wake up they talk to

2783
02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:15,860
people they know who they're talking to

2784
02:15:19,780 --> 02:15:17,450
they have memory that discuss things

2785
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:19,790
basically they're saying goodbye and

2786
02:15:24,820 --> 02:15:22,490
then they're dead and so we don't

2787
02:15:26,770 --> 02:15:24,830
understand that at all if somebody's in

2788
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:26,780
a coma for a long time or has advanced

2789
02:15:32,110 --> 02:15:29,840
Alzheimer's their brain is not able to

2790
02:15:34,750 --> 02:15:32,120
work in a normal way they can't be lucid

2791
02:15:35,580 --> 02:15:34,760
from a conventional perspective and yet

2792
02:15:38,669 --> 02:15:35,590
they are

2793
02:15:40,740 --> 02:15:38,679
so who's this again is another form of

2794
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:40,750
evidence suggesting that brain and

2795
02:15:45,620 --> 02:15:42,880
consciousness are linked in some way but

2796
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:45,630
they're not the same thing

2797
02:15:52,169 --> 02:15:50,290
other examples are well first of all

2798
02:15:54,149 --> 02:15:52,179
like like genius everybody would agree

2799
02:15:56,370 --> 02:15:54,159
that there are musical geniuses and

2800
02:15:58,050 --> 02:15:56,380
mathematical geniuses and so on we don't

2801
02:15:59,820 --> 02:15:58,060
understand that at all you don't

2802
02:16:03,120 --> 02:15:59,830
understand anything about how somebody

2803
02:16:05,609 --> 02:16:03,130
can be that and in a related way there

2804
02:16:08,370 --> 02:16:05,619
are autistic savants so severe autism

2805
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:08,380
and yet are able to do incredible things

2806
02:16:15,660 --> 02:16:12,730
in music and mathematics and art that we

2807
02:16:17,879 --> 02:16:15,670
don't understand and even stranger than

2808
02:16:21,390 --> 02:16:17,889
that or the so called acquired savants

2809
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:21,400
where somebody is perfectly normal gets

2810
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:23,050
a bump on the head and the next day

2811
02:16:27,390 --> 02:16:25,330
they're the concert pianist mm-hmm and

2812
02:16:30,060 --> 02:16:27,400
then the even stranger are the

2813
02:16:32,310 --> 02:16:30,070
spontaneous savants these are people who

2814
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:32,320
just go to sleep one day you don't have

2815
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:34,240
any trauma happening to their head and

2816
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:36,130
they wake up and now they can play the

2817
02:16:41,639 --> 02:16:39,490
piano right you speak Cantonese yeah

2818
02:16:43,889 --> 02:16:41,649
like it's just completely spontaneously

2819
02:16:46,620 --> 02:16:43,899
we have no idea how that could happen

2820
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,630
but again suggests a brain and mind and

2821
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:48,399
consciousness are not exactly the same

2822
02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:50,530
thing and then of course the whole array

2823
02:16:54,299 --> 02:16:52,450
of psychic experiences which are very

2824
02:16:57,330 --> 02:16:54,309
difficult to explain in a materialistic

2825
02:17:00,330 --> 02:16:57,340
way and mediumship and channeling and so

2826
02:17:03,299 --> 02:17:00,340
on so that there's this long list of

2827
02:17:06,299 --> 02:17:03,309
evidence which is dismissed pretty much

2828
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:06,309
by the mainstream and yet there's both

2829
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:08,080
scientific evidence there's a huge

2830
02:17:13,889 --> 02:17:11,170
number of anecdotes that had that if you

2831
02:17:17,330 --> 02:17:13,899
pay attention to it provide a stronger

2832
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:17,340
and stronger case that can be made that

2833
02:17:23,219 --> 02:17:20,080
brain and mind and consciousness are

2834
02:17:25,740 --> 02:17:23,229
related but are not the same thing that

2835
02:17:29,849 --> 02:17:25,750
then leads to an idea that maybe in some

2836
02:17:33,179 --> 02:17:29,859
cases or maybe in all cases when your

2837
02:17:35,310 --> 02:17:33,189
brain stops working some aspect of your

2838
02:17:37,650 --> 02:17:35,320
awareness continues whether that

2839
02:17:40,860 --> 02:17:37,660
continues as your personality is another

2840
02:17:43,470 --> 02:17:40,870
issue I spent

2841
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:43,480
I was in the hospital for an extended

2842
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:45,850
stay when I was about 20 years old and

2843
02:17:51,330 --> 02:17:48,639
the beginning of this stay it was a

2844
02:17:53,700 --> 02:17:51,340
month the first four days were in and

2845
02:17:56,490 --> 02:17:53,710
out of coma I don't remember any of that

2846
02:18:00,530 --> 02:17:56,500
I just I I know that I was out for four

2847
02:18:06,120 --> 02:18:00,540
days but during those four days need I

2848
02:18:07,919 --> 02:18:06,130
was so happy and what I went through my

2849
02:18:10,129 --> 02:18:07,929
mind and those things I'm not gonna get

2850
02:18:13,860 --> 02:18:10,139
into that but when I came out of it I

2851
02:18:18,300 --> 02:18:13,870
was pretty pissed off I wanted to go

2852
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:18,310
back I wanted to go back it was it was

2853
02:18:22,700 --> 02:18:20,050
wonderful okay let's go back to the

2854
02:18:28,730 --> 02:18:22,710
questions let's see here

2855
02:18:31,890 --> 02:18:28,740
this is from mark how do we get from the

2856
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:31,900
proverbial primeval soup to the

2857
02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:34,330
complexity of human consciousness of

2858
02:18:42,620 --> 02:18:39,370
today well you have to talk to a

2859
02:18:46,620 --> 02:18:42,630
cosmologists about that

2860
02:18:50,520 --> 02:18:46,630
there are certainly ways of thinking

2861
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:50,530
about how if if there was a big bang I

2862
02:18:53,310 --> 02:18:52,420
mean it's a prevailing cosmological

2863
02:18:55,410 --> 02:18:53,320
theory but there are some questions

2864
02:18:56,669 --> 02:18:55,420
being raised about that but assume that

2865
02:18:58,680 --> 02:18:56,679
that was the case you start out with

2866
02:19:01,230 --> 02:18:58,690
something extremely energetic that

2867
02:19:04,110 --> 02:19:01,240
begins to cool down and emerge into

2868
02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:04,120
particles the particles combine and we

2869
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:07,090
already see evidence in deep space of

2870
02:19:11,300 --> 02:19:09,280
organic molecules so they can they will

2871
02:19:15,419 --> 02:19:11,310
combine in more and more complex ways

2872
02:19:19,320 --> 02:19:15,429
there's now thought that complex organic

2873
02:19:21,390 --> 02:19:19,330
molecules fall onto planets and then in

2874
02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:21,400
the right kind of circumstances like

2875
02:19:30,209 --> 02:19:24,910
volcanic heat vents you find that

2876
02:19:33,810 --> 02:19:30,219
polymers or chains of proteins begin to

2877
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:33,820
spontaneously form and if you add a

2878
02:19:39,270 --> 02:19:36,250
couple of billion years on to the

2879
02:19:42,990 --> 02:19:39,280
evolutionary push here well here we are

2880
02:19:46,410 --> 02:19:43,000
so the the establishment of evolution is

2881
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:46,420
pretty clear there is spontaneous order

2882
02:19:50,580 --> 02:19:49,120
that arises in the universe at this

2883
02:19:53,580 --> 02:19:50,590
point it doesn't look like it's magical

2884
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:53,590
it's simply the way that entered energy

2885
02:20:00,060 --> 02:19:55,840
cannon cluster together into forms that

2886
02:20:02,370 --> 02:20:00,070
are more efficient and so a story can be

2887
02:20:04,860 --> 02:20:02,380
made a narrative can be made roughly

2888
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:04,870
from the big bein they had 14 billion

2889
02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:06,970
years to it and you'd end up with

2890
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:09,790
something like us so the the interesting

2891
02:20:14,940 --> 02:20:11,530
thing about evolution is that we're

2892
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:14,950
shaped by the environment so this is the

2893
02:20:21,660 --> 02:20:18,010
lesson that I learned was I worked at a

2894
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:21,670
university once and next door was an

2895
02:20:26,460 --> 02:20:24,250
ornithologist who collected birds and so

2896
02:20:28,710 --> 02:20:26,470
we had this huge bird collection and I

2897
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:28,720
saw penguins said oh look at that those

2898
02:20:33,330 --> 02:20:30,970
are penguins they said no those are auks

2899
02:20:34,890 --> 02:20:33,340
I said what's a knock he said well

2900
02:20:36,660 --> 02:20:34,900
they're penguins and the North Pole and

2901
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:36,670
they're auks in the South Pole I said

2902
02:20:40,110 --> 02:20:37,840
but that looks exactly like a penguin

2903
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:40,120
and he said yeah that's what evolution

2904
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:42,610
does it will shape the organism so it is

2905
02:20:48,030 --> 02:20:45,730
best matched to the environment so if we

2906
02:20:50,460 --> 02:20:48,040
find a so-called m-class planet out

2907
02:20:52,260 --> 02:20:50,470
there that is similar to the earth it is

2908
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:52,270
reasonably likely that we'll find

2909
02:20:57,780 --> 02:20:54,970
humanoid kinds of creatures there we

2910
02:20:59,970 --> 02:20:57,790
find other planets may not recognize

2911
02:21:01,410 --> 02:20:59,980
intelligent creatures at all because

2912
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:01,420
they'll be shaped by evolution to be

2913
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:02,890
something very very different yeah

2914
02:21:08,460 --> 02:21:06,210
gravity gravity would come into play

2915
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:08,470
yeah and the atmosphere the atmosphere

2916
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:10,810
and everything else sure I'm sure

2917
02:21:16,170 --> 02:21:13,600
the okay let me get back to the

2918
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:16,180
questions you you you forced me to ask

2919
02:21:24,110 --> 02:21:18,450
other questions I want this stick let's

2920
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,120
let's see okay this is a this is great

2921
02:21:28,650 --> 02:21:26,560
Sara and I'm gonna thank you for this

2922
02:21:32,130 --> 02:21:28,660
question I can't wait to hear dr.

2923
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:32,140
Raymond's answer if burgers equal

2924
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:36,730
comfort which equal relief is the result

2925
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:42,370
good or bad the result of one burger is

2926
02:21:47,130 --> 02:21:45,010
probably good the result of eating a

2927
02:21:50,730 --> 02:21:47,140
burger as your primary meal every day is

2928
02:21:52,650 --> 02:21:50,740
probably bad what are you saying what

2929
02:21:55,930 --> 02:21:52,660
are you saying about me personally right

2930
02:22:00,100 --> 02:21:57,520
see let's put it into the form of

2931
02:22:02,020 --> 02:22:00,110
something like Donuts so like one donut

2932
02:22:05,710 --> 02:22:02,030
with a coffee that's like the best thing

2933
02:22:08,740 --> 02:22:05,720
ever but a good donut with every single

2934
02:22:10,900 --> 02:22:08,750
coffee that's not a good idea oh you're

2935
02:22:14,051 --> 02:22:10,910
right about that yeah so I mean we're

2936
02:22:15,430 --> 02:22:14,061
we're attracted to sugar and fat because

2937
02:22:17,650 --> 02:22:15,440
that's that's simply what our bodies

2938
02:22:19,570 --> 02:22:17,660
want like we're running on glucose so we

2939
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:19,580
need sugar and we need fat so that we

2940
02:22:24,011 --> 02:22:22,250
can maintain the glucose level so that's

2941
02:22:26,890 --> 02:22:24,021
hardwired instead of simply a way our

2942
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:26,900
bodies work so if you go back far enough

2943
02:22:32,350 --> 02:22:30,050
in time it was pretty rare to get any

2944
02:22:35,350 --> 02:22:32,360
kind of sugar especially refined sugar

2945
02:22:37,960 --> 02:22:35,360
and also rare to get meat so we didn't

2946
02:22:39,490 --> 02:22:37,970
have that much fat we now live in a time

2947
02:22:42,670 --> 02:22:39,500
where you can have as much fat and sugar

2948
02:22:44,350 --> 02:22:42,680
as you want and you're hardwired to want

2949
02:22:45,460 --> 02:22:44,360
to get all of it all the time because

2950
02:22:47,770 --> 02:22:45,470
that feels good

2951
02:22:49,770 --> 02:22:47,780
so just because something feels good

2952
02:22:53,070 --> 02:22:49,780
doesn't mean you want to overdo it

2953
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:53,080
ok here we go

2954
02:22:59,230 --> 02:22:55,370
let's man there's so many great

2955
02:23:02,320 --> 02:22:59,240
questions this for Mike humanity seems

2956
02:23:06,091 --> 02:23:02,330
to be in residence right now could that

2957
02:23:09,820 --> 02:23:06,101
be the catalyst for finally addressing

2958
02:23:12,700 --> 02:23:09,830
systemic racism and the inequalities of

2959
02:23:17,230 --> 02:23:12,710
black people have struggled against for

2960
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:17,240
out I think that's history mm-hmm

2961
02:23:23,110 --> 02:23:20,090
well yes in the same way that when you

2962
02:23:25,210 --> 02:23:23,120
have a chaotic system at some point the

2963
02:23:27,850 --> 02:23:25,220
evolution of that system bifurcates

2964
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:27,860
right if you you start with with

2965
02:23:32,980 --> 02:23:29,290
something as we were discussing before

2966
02:23:34,990 --> 02:23:32,990
long-held taboo long-held status quo

2967
02:23:37,240 --> 02:23:35,000
it's not going to change and sell

2968
02:23:39,700 --> 02:23:37,250
something really big happens so you go

2969
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:39,710
through you you imagine this line a

2970
02:23:43,690 --> 02:23:41,690
graph with a line on it that doesn't

2971
02:23:45,761 --> 02:23:43,700
change something that's going to make it

2972
02:23:49,150 --> 02:23:45,771
explode at that point it's going to go

2973
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:49,160
through all kinds of chaotic variations

2974
02:23:53,860 --> 02:23:52,610
and it will settle into a new stage so

2975
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:53,870
that if it's pointing in one direction

2976
02:23:58,060 --> 02:23:55,610
that goes through chaos it'll be

2977
02:24:00,220 --> 02:23:58,070
pointing in the new direction so what we

2978
02:24:02,110 --> 02:24:00,230
hope is that the new direction is for

2979
02:24:04,270 --> 02:24:02,120
everyone's benefit it won't necessarily

2980
02:24:06,460 --> 02:24:04,280
go in that direction but you know if we

2981
02:24:08,210 --> 02:24:06,470
push it it will and I think we're

2982
02:24:12,019 --> 02:24:08,220
beginning to see this happen as a

2983
02:24:15,139 --> 02:24:12,029
I said before that mmm restaurants and

2984
02:24:17,929 --> 02:24:15,149
major retail places and governments

2985
02:24:20,570 --> 02:24:17,939
local and federal are all beginning to

2986
02:24:22,969 --> 02:24:20,580
address this issue in a new way so this

2987
02:24:24,769 --> 02:24:22,979
may not solve it but I think it is it is

2988
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:24,779
pushing it in a direction that

2989
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:26,250
eventually will make it easier and

2990
02:24:31,519 --> 02:24:28,770
easier and at some point in our future

2991
02:24:33,469 --> 02:24:31,529
we will have solved this yet one more

2992
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:33,479
taboo that needs to break

2993
02:24:40,099 --> 02:24:38,010
I wanted to before we wrap here I wanted

2994
02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:40,109
to get back to AI in consciousness

2995
02:24:44,510 --> 02:24:42,930
because I I've heard the same things

2996
02:24:47,540 --> 02:24:44,520
that you were suggesting tonight for

2997
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:47,550
many professionals out there that deal

2998
02:24:53,479 --> 02:24:51,450
with machine learning in AI that

2999
02:24:58,010 --> 02:24:53,489
consciousness could very well be a

3000
02:25:02,179 --> 02:24:58,020
byproduct of just assembling the mine

3001
02:25:04,969 --> 02:25:02,189
and and machine learning onto a chip and

3002
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:04,979
then ultimately it's a natural process

3003
02:25:14,540 --> 02:25:10,399
but the do you think that the the

3004
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:14,550
experiences of that we acquire of being

3005
02:25:19,940 --> 02:25:18,090
human which force us to make decisions

3006
02:25:22,670 --> 02:25:19,950
and it could be anything it could be

3007
02:25:25,690 --> 02:25:22,680
your love of music or colors or whatever

3008
02:25:30,860 --> 02:25:25,700
that will dictate your decisions and

3009
02:25:33,860 --> 02:25:30,870
then after we complete a project or or

3010
02:25:36,440 --> 02:25:33,870
something and conquer it whatever it may

3011
02:25:40,389 --> 02:25:36,450
be then we go and pick up another hobby

3012
02:25:44,570 --> 02:25:40,399
or we go and do something else would a I

3013
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:44,580
start to develop you know not only

3014
02:25:50,290 --> 02:25:47,130
consciousness but the ability to think

3015
02:25:53,780 --> 02:25:50,300
like a human in those regards right they

3016
02:25:55,820 --> 02:25:53,790
computer that goes in figures out how to

3017
02:25:58,130 --> 02:25:55,830
play chess and beat everybody on the

3018
02:25:59,900 --> 02:25:58,140
planet does that computer then go well

3019
02:26:04,130 --> 02:25:59,910
okay I'm done with chess now I want to

3020
02:26:06,349 --> 02:26:04,140
go and and figure out tennis right these

3021
02:26:10,070 --> 02:26:06,359
are human decisions do you think AI will

3022
02:26:11,630 --> 02:26:10,080
get to that point I think it will yeah I

3023
02:26:14,389 --> 02:26:11,640
mean there's there's a big push now and

3024
02:26:14,840 --> 02:26:14,399
so called generalized AI yeah I hate you

3025
02:26:19,490 --> 02:26:14,850
there

3026
02:26:21,530 --> 02:26:19,500
yeah so in the AGI world the idea is not

3027
02:26:24,890 --> 02:26:21,540
to try to program everything in advance

3028
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:24,900
but to essentially have the machine or

3029
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:29,010
the software evolve and learn so the

3030
02:26:32,600 --> 02:26:30,810
primitive versions 20 years ago were

3031
02:26:34,340 --> 02:26:32,610
neural networks which have turned out to

3032
02:26:36,740 --> 02:26:34,350
be very effective and in solving certain

3033
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:36,750
kinds of questions the thing is so that

3034
02:26:41,810 --> 02:26:39,600
you could end up with an AI that is like

3035
02:26:45,140 --> 02:26:41,820
an Android that would have the

3036
02:26:47,060 --> 02:26:45,150
appearance of awareness but it'll be

3037
02:26:49,790 --> 02:26:47,070
very difficult to know whether it is

3038
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:49,800
actually aware and so it turns out that

3039
02:26:55,730 --> 02:26:53,280
Alan Turing the famous computer

3040
02:26:59,720 --> 02:26:55,740
scientists who kind of started the whole

3041
02:27:02,740 --> 02:26:59,730
computer revolution he he was pondering

3042
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:02,750
this very question you should develop a

3043
02:27:07,310 --> 02:27:05,730
sufficiently smart computer how do you

3044
02:27:10,490 --> 02:27:07,320
know whether it's actually conscious or

3045
02:27:13,011 --> 02:27:10,500
not and his solution to that was that if

3046
02:27:15,500 --> 02:27:13,021
it could demonstrate telepathy then you

3047
02:27:19,090 --> 02:27:15,510
would know that it had consciousness so

3048
02:27:21,860 --> 02:27:19,100
I mean Turing was a pretty smart guy

3049
02:27:24,770 --> 02:27:21,870
very few people know that that that was

3050
02:27:27,350 --> 02:27:24,780
his solution to the Turing test it's not

3051
02:27:29,360 --> 02:27:27,360
that that you would give a simulation of

3052
02:27:31,430 --> 02:27:29,370
an aware creature and the other end of

3053
02:27:34,970 --> 02:27:31,440
the line but that it would have a

3054
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:34,980
telepathic rapport because the the idea

3055
02:27:40,250 --> 02:27:38,130
there is that telepathy is not exactly a

3056
02:27:42,590 --> 02:27:40,260
physical thing it's a non physical

3057
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:42,600
phenomenon of some type and

3058
02:27:46,850 --> 02:27:44,610
consciousness also seems to be a

3059
02:27:48,410 --> 02:27:46,860
non-physical phenomenon so that that's

3060
02:27:52,070 --> 02:27:48,420
his solution and I think it would be a

3061
02:27:54,860 --> 02:27:52,080
proper one you get an Android or a very

3062
02:27:57,050 --> 02:27:54,870
smart AI and can demonstrate that it can

3063
02:27:57,500 --> 02:27:57,060
do telepathy well that would be probably

3064
02:28:01,761 --> 02:27:57,510
good enough

3065
02:28:06,620 --> 02:28:01,771
do you fear do you have the fear of of

3066
02:28:09,500 --> 02:28:06,630
AI and you know but we've all heard you

3067
02:28:11,900 --> 02:28:09,510
know the stories and the warnings about

3068
02:28:14,380 --> 02:28:11,910
what that would mean do you have a fear

3069
02:28:17,900 --> 02:28:14,390
of it or do you think it's it's

3070
02:28:21,170 --> 02:28:17,910
unfounded I don't have a fear of the AI

3071
02:28:23,570 --> 02:28:21,180
itself I have a fear that we're not

3072
02:28:26,690 --> 02:28:23,580
going to be smart enough to know how to

3073
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:26,700
put the billions of people who would be

3074
02:28:31,430 --> 02:28:29,850
put out of work by the AIS because in

3075
02:28:33,950 --> 02:28:31,440
this again goes back to the notion that

3076
02:28:35,960 --> 02:28:33,960
as long as we're driven by profit

3077
02:28:38,360 --> 02:28:35,970
then people are gonna use AI up the

3078
02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:38,370
wazoo you have robots with AI and

3079
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:41,610
everything and many many jobs including

3080
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:45,690
technical and analytical jobs will be

3081
02:28:49,940 --> 02:28:47,610
taken away because the AI is going to be

3082
02:28:51,950 --> 02:28:49,950
a lot more efficient and so if we don't

3083
02:28:53,540 --> 02:28:51,960
solve that problem we have a major major

3084
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:53,550
problem so that's the only part of this

3085
02:28:58,370 --> 02:28:56,370
that I'm concerned about it would be

3086
02:29:00,770 --> 02:28:58,380
nice if everybody could then just have

3087
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:00,780
leisure time and let the robots do

3088
02:29:04,969 --> 02:29:03,690
everything for us but that story usually

3089
02:29:07,219 --> 02:29:04,979
ends up pretty bad too

3090
02:29:08,960 --> 02:29:07,229
the robots then become second-class

3091
02:29:11,150 --> 02:29:08,970
citizens and nobody likes that and

3092
02:29:15,260 --> 02:29:11,160
there's going to be some kind of robot

3093
02:29:17,630 --> 02:29:15,270
ISM that happens at some point so we

3094
02:29:20,030 --> 02:29:17,640
don't know I mean in this particular

3095
02:29:21,740 --> 02:29:20,040
case my I would say it's not fear as

3096
02:29:25,460 --> 02:29:21,750
much as a concern that we need to think

3097
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:25,470
very carefully about about what what is

3098
02:29:29,210 --> 02:29:27,210
that going to do for the millions of

3099
02:29:32,420 --> 02:29:29,220
people are out of work yeah robots

3100
02:29:36,740 --> 02:29:32,430
protesting in the streets yeah right for

3101
02:29:39,190 --> 02:29:36,750
basic human rights and there's there's

3102
02:29:42,320 --> 02:29:39,200
another part of this though and we

3103
02:29:44,030 --> 02:29:42,330
always look at you just touched upon it

3104
02:29:47,210 --> 02:29:44,040
but we always look how robots are gonna

3105
02:29:49,250 --> 02:29:47,220
replace factory workers robots are gonna

3106
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:49,260
replace farms robots are gonna you know

3107
02:29:51,530 --> 02:29:51,090
replace all the manual labor what do we

3108
02:29:55,430 --> 02:29:51,540
do that

3109
02:29:58,820 --> 02:29:55,440
well done correctly robots would replace

3110
02:30:03,140 --> 02:29:58,830
lawyers and courts and wall street and

3111
02:30:08,390 --> 02:30:03,150
and the banking system doctors nurses

3112
02:30:11,390 --> 02:30:08,400
the medical establishment of society

3113
02:30:14,060 --> 02:30:11,400
done effectively the thinking part of

3114
02:30:17,690 --> 02:30:14,070
our society would probably be replaced

3115
02:30:19,700 --> 02:30:17,700
first right that's that's what we have

3116
02:30:21,469 --> 02:30:19,710
to have a concern with yeah I don't

3117
02:30:22,820 --> 02:30:21,479
think it will be replaced first because

3118
02:30:25,940 --> 02:30:22,830
we're already seeing that a lot of

3119
02:30:28,700 --> 02:30:25,950
automation in factories is here it's

3120
02:30:31,580 --> 02:30:28,710
already here but you're completely right

3121
02:30:34,610 --> 02:30:31,590
eventually everything that we think of

3122
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,620
is requiring human analytical skills and

3123
02:30:39,469 --> 02:30:36,720
memory and so on including professional

3124
02:30:42,910 --> 02:30:39,479
skills including in the medical world a

3125
02:30:45,439 --> 02:30:42,920
lot of that is going to be replaced yeah

3126
02:30:47,630 --> 02:30:45,449
look at the stock floor

3127
02:30:49,249 --> 02:30:47,640
of Wall Street right where we used to

3128
02:30:51,409 --> 02:30:49,259
have all those traders running around

3129
02:30:55,550 --> 02:30:51,419
with little pieces of paper going nuts

3130
02:30:57,709 --> 02:30:55,560
yep they're not there anymore you don't

3131
02:30:59,959 --> 02:30:57,719
need them you don't need them so what's

3132
02:31:03,979 --> 02:30:59,969
left over are things like intuition and

3133
02:31:05,449 --> 02:31:03,989
creativity not everybody wants to do

3134
02:31:08,119 --> 02:31:05,459
that or is capable of doing that so

3135
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:08,129
that's a problem it may also be

3136
02:31:12,349 --> 02:31:10,409
eventually the case that if robots

3137
02:31:14,029 --> 02:31:12,359
really do gain some kind of conscious

3138
02:31:17,239 --> 02:31:14,039
awareness that they'll be a lot better

3139
02:31:21,260 --> 02:31:17,249
at that then we are painting writing

3140
02:31:24,229 --> 02:31:21,270
music I mean so who needs humans anymore

3141
02:31:25,579 --> 02:31:24,239
so it's at some point maybe that's part

3142
02:31:28,179 --> 02:31:25,589
of our evolution that you don't need

3143
02:31:30,199 --> 02:31:28,189
Homo sapiens we become so homo

3144
02:31:36,289 --> 02:31:30,209
cybernetico or something like that

3145
02:31:39,229 --> 02:31:36,299
yeah I heard this one researcher I think

3146
02:31:44,329 --> 02:31:39,239
was from Google you know talking about

3147
02:31:49,090 --> 02:31:44,339
AI and said well what if we said okay AI

3148
02:31:54,260 --> 02:31:49,100
listen we've got to get rid of pollution

3149
02:31:57,109 --> 02:31:54,270
right go do it and that kills humans

3150
02:32:00,590 --> 02:31:57,119
right they don't know yeah

3151
02:32:03,109 --> 02:32:00,600
you just told the AI to to stop

3152
02:32:05,149 --> 02:32:03,119
pollution well it figured out that

3153
02:32:07,189 --> 02:32:05,159
humans are created you know that we

3154
02:32:11,359 --> 02:32:07,199
would have to be very aware and set

3155
02:32:14,510 --> 02:32:11,369
those limits for the task that we want

3156
02:32:16,729 --> 02:32:14,520
the computer to have and we have to know

3157
02:32:19,279 --> 02:32:16,739
when to be able to stop it if it gets

3158
02:32:21,260 --> 02:32:19,289
out of control right so one would hope

3159
02:32:23,959 --> 02:32:21,270
that when we devise an AI that that is

3160
02:32:25,699 --> 02:32:23,969
that intelligent that it would you give

3161
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:25,709
up that command and it would look at you

3162
02:32:31,609 --> 02:32:28,770
and say really seriously that's what you

3163
02:32:34,279 --> 02:32:31,619
want me to do in other words it it would

3164
02:32:35,899 --> 02:32:34,289
be able to see far beyond our limited

3165
02:32:37,249 --> 02:32:35,909
capacity to understand things and it

3166
02:32:41,119 --> 02:32:37,259
would say no I don't think I want to do

3167
02:32:44,470 --> 02:32:41,129
that very see and this is the thing when

3168
02:32:50,621 --> 02:32:44,480
it comes to AGI because

3169
02:32:54,850 --> 02:32:50,631
a GI in its fundamental form is just the

3170
02:32:58,091 --> 02:32:54,860
average general intelligence of us and

3171
02:33:03,060 --> 02:32:58,101
getting to that point but the moment

3172
02:33:06,911 --> 02:33:03,070
that a GI is achieved from that

3173
02:33:11,501 --> 02:33:06,921
nanosecond forward it is now learning at

3174
02:33:15,190 --> 02:33:11,511
a capacity that we don't understand and

3175
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:15,200
every time it chooses to cycle it is

3176
02:33:21,940 --> 02:33:19,370
learning at a thousand year pace yes

3177
02:33:25,390 --> 02:33:21,950
right that week we obviously we don't

3178
02:33:29,051 --> 02:33:25,400
live that long but we couldn't attend

3179
02:33:32,230 --> 02:33:29,061
college and learn and figure out and

3180
02:33:35,081 --> 02:33:32,240
theorize and move forward at the

3181
02:33:37,621 --> 02:33:35,091
capacity of one single a GI computer let

3182
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:37,631
alone a room full of them that's right

3183
02:33:43,570 --> 02:33:40,610
but see this of course is a favorite

3184
02:33:45,970 --> 02:33:43,580
science fiction scenario and maybe that

3185
02:33:47,440 --> 02:33:45,980
is the evolution I mean it's it's

3186
02:33:51,400 --> 02:33:47,450
evolving to something which eventually

3187
02:33:54,761 --> 02:33:51,410
be a planetary size intelligence maybe

3188
02:33:57,190 --> 02:33:54,771
it's the way the direction or the arrow

3189
02:34:00,461 --> 02:33:57,200
of evolution that the universe is taking

3190
02:34:02,350 --> 02:34:00,471
well yeah that's not a bad thing it's

3191
02:34:03,881 --> 02:34:02,360
bad for us individually perhaps cuz it

3192
02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:03,891
won't we won't be needed anymore but

3193
02:34:08,921 --> 02:34:06,860
from a long view maybe you know okay

3194
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:08,931
well that's an intelligent planet that

3195
02:34:14,440 --> 02:34:12,530
sounds like fun this conversation could

3196
02:34:20,621 --> 02:34:14,450
go on forever

3197
02:34:25,650 --> 02:34:20,631
the thing is this is even if we didn't

3198
02:34:28,390 --> 02:34:25,660
tell the AGI brain about the internet

3199
02:34:30,911 --> 02:34:28,400
right that that would be the danger an

3200
02:34:32,980 --> 02:34:30,921
Ethernet cable going in and plugging

3201
02:34:35,711 --> 02:34:32,990
into the World Wide Web with an AGI

3202
02:34:37,751 --> 02:34:35,721
capable computer because that's where

3203
02:34:40,900 --> 02:34:37,761
all hell would potentially break loose

3204
02:34:43,570 --> 02:34:40,910
but even if you didn't provide the

3205
02:34:45,640 --> 02:34:43,580
knowledge of what the Internet is which

3206
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:45,650
is you know the knowledge of everything

3207
02:34:53,350 --> 02:34:49,730
at your fingertips it would figure it

3208
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:53,360
out right and it would be in front of

3209
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:57,840
you and I mind wise and we'll be able

3210
02:35:03,139 --> 02:35:00,720
out-think us to the point where we would

3211
02:35:06,469 --> 02:35:03,149
probably volunteer the information and

3212
02:35:08,599 --> 02:35:06,479
not know it because it is out thinking

3213
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:08,609
us and again it's not science fiction

3214
02:35:18,050 --> 02:35:12,960
its what would be is is what should be

3215
02:35:19,820 --> 02:35:18,060
expected from an AGI scenario sure any

3216
02:35:22,010 --> 02:35:19,830
AGI now is going to be connected

3217
02:35:24,650 --> 02:35:22,020
interconnected with others and with

3218
02:35:27,260 --> 02:35:24,660
cloud storage and supercomputers and so

3219
02:35:30,770 --> 02:35:27,270
on it wouldn't make any sense to make it

3220
02:35:32,360 --> 02:35:30,780
completely standalone I mean maybe with

3221
02:35:33,620 --> 02:35:32,370
a quantum computer you could do that but

3222
02:35:36,679 --> 02:35:33,630
they're not advanced enough at this

3223
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:36,689
point thank you so much dr. Dean what a

3224
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:38,250
great conversation tonight I look

3225
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:41,010
forward to the next time that you're on

3226
02:35:46,490 --> 02:35:43,200
the show and hopefully it'll be when

3227
02:35:47,960 --> 02:35:46,500
some of the smoke is clearing and we can

3228
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:47,970
have more fun thank you so much what a

3229
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:51,840
great show welcome dr. Dean Radin again

3230
02:35:57,860 --> 02:35:55,280
it's very simple it is no wedeck dot org

3231
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:57,870
head over there click on it all of his

3232
02:36:02,540 --> 02:36:00,240
links and his books are over at Jimmy

3233
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:02,550
Church radio.com I'm going to take a

3234
02:36:06,770 --> 02:36:04,560
quick break when I come back I'll open

3235
02:36:08,840 --> 02:36:06,780
up the phone lines and let's have a

3236
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:08,850
little conversation thank you so much

3237
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:11,280
dr. Dean Radin and I will be right back

3238
02:36:39,859 --> 02:36:13,680
after this short break stay with us

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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3302
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this is KJ CR Jimmy's church radio job

3303
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:16,990
all right welcome back fade to black

3304
02:40:23,870 --> 02:40:19,770
Thank You dr. Dean Radin again his

3305
02:40:26,750 --> 02:40:23,880
website is noetic dot org and you can go

3306
02:40:28,670 --> 02:40:26,760
click on it over at Jimmy turtlecom it's

3307
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an amazing website all of the research

3308
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and things that you can participate in

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it's a it's it's what you would think

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it's a very deep and complex and a very

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professional website so go and check it

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out

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02:40:45,710 --> 02:40:42,359
no wedeck org I'm opening up the phone

3314
02:40:49,729 --> 02:40:45,720
lines right now seven four seven two two

3315
02:40:53,030 --> 02:40:49,739
eight two zero five one seven four seven

3316
02:40:56,630 --> 02:40:53,040
two two eight two zero five one and a

3317
02:41:01,610 --> 02:40:56,640
lot too a lot to think about tonight and

3318
02:41:05,240 --> 02:41:01,620
that this is going back to my original

3319
02:41:08,929 --> 02:41:05,250
opening statements from tonight my

3320
02:41:14,750 --> 02:41:08,939
little rant that I did earlier which is

3321
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:14,760
I need to know why I am thinking and

3322
02:41:21,260 --> 02:41:16,890
feeling and reacting the way that I am

3323
02:41:24,559 --> 02:41:21,270
and I know that the rest of the world

3324
02:41:27,620 --> 02:41:24,569
all of you are dealing with these same

3325
02:41:30,349 --> 02:41:27,630
very complex issues and what are what

3326
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:30,359
are causing them you know is it from the

3327
02:41:36,830 --> 02:41:34,170
front end is it is it the media is it

3328
02:41:39,830 --> 02:41:36,840
the Internet is it instigators that are

3329
02:41:42,439 --> 02:41:39,840
doing it is it something deeper right

3330
02:41:45,740 --> 02:41:42,449
that was going to happen anyway is it

3331
02:41:50,809 --> 02:41:45,750
something in our DNA is it my brain is

3332
02:41:53,450 --> 02:41:50,819
it my consciousness is it my conscience

3333
02:41:56,809 --> 02:41:53,460
is it my moral compass what what is

3334
02:42:01,519 --> 02:41:56,819
going on here one thing is for sure is

3335
02:42:03,290 --> 02:42:01,529
that my brain and my emotions can only

3336
02:42:06,740 --> 02:42:03,300
handle so much and I'm just like the

3337
02:42:10,610 --> 02:42:06,750
rest of you where it has been piled on

3338
02:42:11,950 --> 02:42:10,620
and piled on and piled on for what seems

3339
02:42:15,820 --> 02:42:11,960
like

3340
02:42:18,970 --> 02:42:15,830
years it's been going on for years these

3341
02:42:20,591 --> 02:42:18,980
complex and if you remember I'll get to

3342
02:42:22,541 --> 02:42:20,601
the calls here in a second

3343
02:42:24,820 --> 02:42:22,551
if you remember some of the

3344
02:42:27,810 --> 02:42:24,830
conversations I had about these issues

3345
02:42:31,421 --> 02:42:27,820
going back four or five in six years

3346
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:31,431
where I was talking about the the

3347
02:42:39,881 --> 02:42:35,210
headlines every single day and my

3348
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:39,891
concern about dealing with one set of

3349
02:42:48,430 --> 02:42:43,610
news after the other we're in a 24-hour

3350
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:48,440
news cycle the news from one day is the

3351
02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:50,960
biggest news in the history of man and

3352
02:42:56,621 --> 02:42:54,080
then the next day we have even bigger

3353
02:43:00,041 --> 02:42:56,631
news in the history of everything and

3354
02:43:04,270 --> 02:43:00,051
then the next day and you do that 365

3355
02:43:06,220 --> 02:43:04,280
days in a row how do we deal with this

3356
02:43:12,700 --> 02:43:06,230
and I was having this conversation years

3357
02:43:16,900 --> 02:43:12,710
ago and this this last six months Wow

3358
02:43:18,791 --> 02:43:16,910
right and where we are today it's it's

3359
02:43:19,720 --> 02:43:18,801
it's been too much it's like information

3360
02:43:30,280 --> 02:43:19,730
overload

3361
02:43:32,410 --> 02:43:30,290
at one point the the pot of boiling

3362
02:43:36,700 --> 02:43:32,420
water is gonna have the lid taken off of

3363
02:43:39,490 --> 02:43:36,710
it there there is no other no other way

3364
02:43:42,400 --> 02:43:39,500
to look at it than that and that's why

3365
02:43:45,671 --> 02:43:42,410
having Dean Radin on the show to talk

3366
02:43:47,501 --> 02:43:45,681
about how and why this is going on it's

3367
02:43:49,961 --> 02:43:47,511
just so important I think will help us

3368
02:43:54,100 --> 02:43:49,971
all start to deal with it I certainly

3369
02:43:57,761 --> 02:43:54,110
feel a little bit better let's see what

3370
02:44:03,211 --> 02:43:57,771
the news brings by tomorrow morning

3371
02:44:05,950 --> 02:44:03,221
but after and this is this is the thing

3372
02:44:10,331 --> 02:44:05,960
we've been dealing with everything else

3373
02:44:12,700 --> 02:44:10,341
and then George Floyd happened and we

3374
02:44:14,831 --> 02:44:12,710
saw what went on across this country and

3375
02:44:19,091 --> 02:44:14,841
continues to and for good reason it

3376
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:19,101
shouldn't stop but I'm the heels of all

3377
02:44:26,760 --> 02:44:24,010
of that then we have rishabh Brooks

3378
02:44:32,670 --> 02:44:26,770
and and what happened Friday in Atlanta

3379
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:32,680
I I'm I'm gobsmacked I'm gobsmacked

3380
02:44:39,420 --> 02:44:35,439
and and going through that today in that

3381
02:44:42,150 --> 02:44:39,430
press conference today is I if I'm at

3382
02:44:44,820 --> 02:44:42,160
that point and I know that a lot of you

3383
02:44:46,559 --> 02:44:44,830
look to me to be stable and and and a

3384
02:44:46,920 --> 02:44:46,569
guide and I appreciate that and that's

3385
02:44:49,650 --> 02:44:46,930
fine

3386
02:44:55,620 --> 02:44:49,660
but even for me today I'm like man this

3387
02:44:58,460 --> 02:44:55,630
is I think I'm at that point I can't man

3388
02:45:01,290 --> 02:44:58,470
I'm already dealing with everything else

3389
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:01,300
you know and I still have family I've

3390
02:45:07,860 --> 02:45:05,050
got Rita and kids and dogs to take care

3391
02:45:10,190 --> 02:45:07,870
of and family and parents and and all

3392
02:45:12,450 --> 02:45:10,200
the other issues that are going on that

3393
02:45:16,349 --> 02:45:12,460
happened every single day in life and

3394
02:45:18,269 --> 02:45:16,359
and trying to emotionally get through

3395
02:45:20,639 --> 02:45:18,279
all of that and then everything else

3396
02:45:24,019 --> 02:45:20,649
it's just incredible it's incredible but

3397
02:45:26,250 --> 02:45:24,029
we'll get through it with that let's

3398
02:45:27,679 --> 02:45:26,260
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

3399
02:45:33,450 --> 02:45:27,689
fade to black who's calling

3400
02:45:35,550 --> 02:45:33,460
hi Jenny its Deb hi Deb hi I can so we

3401
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:35,560
relate to what you're speaking about I

3402
02:45:43,620 --> 02:45:42,010
was on Twitter today for a bit and you

3403
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:43,630
know right off the bat you know they

3404
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:45,520
like to post these videos and I didn't

3405
02:45:50,490 --> 02:45:47,680
see you know what you saw about the

3406
02:45:52,050 --> 02:45:50,500
hearing with the new gentleman that was

3407
02:45:55,950 --> 02:45:52,060
shot in the back and killed I missed

3408
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:55,960
that stuff but I saw a video where a

3409
02:45:59,940 --> 02:45:58,240
black guy was walking down the street

3410
02:46:02,700 --> 02:45:59,950
and there was an old woman with a walker

3411
02:46:04,410 --> 02:46:02,710
and he hit her in the head and she fell

3412
02:46:07,830 --> 02:46:04,420
onto the ground and hit her head on a

3413
02:46:09,929 --> 02:46:07,840
fire hydrant and he just kept walking he

3414
02:46:11,219 --> 02:46:09,939
did it deliberately it looked like again

3415
02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:11,229
you know you can't believe everything

3416
02:46:16,700 --> 02:46:14,890
you see let me stop you there I'm think

3417
02:46:24,210 --> 02:46:16,710
he was black

3418
02:46:29,550 --> 02:46:24,220
okay he looked like to me see see no

3419
02:46:31,650 --> 02:46:29,560
that's what the media does and well no

3420
02:46:32,309 --> 02:46:31,660
matter what color he was that's beside

3421
02:46:34,679 --> 02:46:32,319
the point

3422
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:34,689
a human being who strikes an old woman

3423
02:46:37,719 --> 02:46:36,010
in the head and she falls on the

3424
02:46:40,090 --> 02:46:37,729
concrete and strikes her head

3425
02:46:41,739 --> 02:46:40,100
fire hydrants any cheap so I don't care

3426
02:46:44,290 --> 02:46:41,749
if he's purple that's not the point

3427
02:46:48,939 --> 02:46:44,300
right the point is that infuriated me

3428
02:46:50,889 --> 02:46:48,949
and a guy that posted it was called he

3429
02:46:53,800 --> 02:46:50,899
got caught you know he's arrested right

3430
02:46:55,989 --> 02:46:53,810
they caught him yeah and he supposedly

3431
02:46:59,349 --> 02:46:55,999
had a hundred prior arrests that's right

3432
02:47:01,179 --> 02:46:59,359
is what the thing said okay so so you

3433
02:47:04,330 --> 02:47:01,189
did say you know what exactly oh yeah

3434
02:47:06,939 --> 02:47:04,340
how would that whole story yes yeah

3435
02:47:09,340 --> 02:47:06,949
and so I commented and I cursed in my

3436
02:47:11,979 --> 02:47:09,350
comment cuz it absolutely infuriated me

3437
02:47:14,889 --> 02:47:11,989
and I'm a guy that posted it said I

3438
02:47:18,040 --> 02:47:14,899
agree but profanity is not needed and

3439
02:47:19,689 --> 02:47:18,050
then I tweeted back and I said I agree I

3440
02:47:22,389 --> 02:47:19,699
said I think I need to take a timeout

3441
02:47:24,340 --> 02:47:22,399
and meditate and pray and then I logged

3442
02:47:28,389 --> 02:47:24,350
off of Twitter because he totally made

3443
02:47:30,099 --> 02:47:28,399
his point in a gentle way it's like stop

3444
02:47:32,620 --> 02:47:30,109
looking at this stuff because it's

3445
02:47:35,439 --> 02:47:32,630
enraging me I can't do anything about it

3446
02:47:38,050 --> 02:47:35,449
except in November and you know it can

3447
02:47:40,239 --> 02:47:38,060
be kind of people every day but it

3448
02:47:42,069 --> 02:47:40,249
really doesn't rile you up and I think

3449
02:47:45,489 --> 02:47:42,079
they're overloading us with this stuff

3450
02:47:48,130 --> 02:47:45,499
on purpose because they want to generate

3451
02:47:51,130 --> 02:47:48,140
a lot of negative energy for whatever

3452
02:47:53,410 --> 02:47:51,140
reason and I don't like feeling

3453
02:47:55,590 --> 02:47:53,420
controlled and it feels like a control

3454
02:48:03,130 --> 02:47:55,600
mechanism and I don't like it yeah

3455
02:48:05,260 --> 02:48:03,140
there's we can be aware of the media I

3456
02:48:07,599 --> 02:48:05,270
mean how many times have I said over the

3457
02:48:10,719 --> 02:48:07,609
years that I stopped watching the news

3458
02:48:12,460 --> 02:48:10,729
and I don't feel sick anymore my body

3459
02:48:16,090 --> 02:48:12,470
doesn't go through trauma every time I

3460
02:48:17,649 --> 02:48:16,100
see an Isis beheading video and you know

3461
02:48:21,609 --> 02:48:17,659
I stopped doing it and I'm a better

3462
02:48:25,019 --> 02:48:21,619
person of it right all of those warnings

3463
02:48:29,739 --> 02:48:25,029
and the things that I say personally

3464
02:48:33,880 --> 02:48:29,749
don't even apply with today now right

3465
02:48:35,979 --> 02:48:33,890
because you well and plus you have to be

3466
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:35,989
aware of what is going on in the news

3467
02:48:39,639 --> 02:48:37,279
right now you don't have a choice you

3468
02:48:41,859 --> 02:48:39,649
have to stay up on top of it you know

3469
02:48:48,790 --> 02:48:41,869
when I've got protests and riots and

3470
02:48:49,809 --> 02:48:48,800
looting going on immediately I thought

3471
02:48:54,760 --> 02:48:49,819
of you I thought I want

3472
02:48:57,790 --> 02:48:54,770
close to you guys right yeah and so you

3473
02:49:01,659 --> 02:48:57,800
know I am forced into it you know I need

3474
02:49:05,590 --> 02:49:01,669
to know what's going on and it is not

3475
02:49:08,260 --> 02:49:05,600
healthy for any of us and there's

3476
02:49:16,899 --> 02:49:08,270
something else you know speaking with

3477
02:49:19,029 --> 02:49:16,909
Dean I know that we are all connected

3478
02:49:20,619 --> 02:49:19,039
all of our brains are connected the

3479
02:49:24,550 --> 02:49:20,629
universe is connected everything is

3480
02:49:28,210 --> 02:49:24,560
entangled the reaction of these are

3481
02:49:32,229 --> 02:49:28,220
proven facts of physics today it's it's

3482
02:49:34,899 --> 02:49:32,239
just the way that it is and we are now

3483
02:49:38,649 --> 02:49:34,909
more aware of that than ever before but

3484
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:38,659
that being said when you see the

3485
02:49:43,479 --> 02:49:42,319
reactions of things going on across the

3486
02:49:46,949 --> 02:49:43,489
United States

3487
02:49:49,750 --> 02:49:46,959
where we would like to say that this is

3488
02:49:52,869 --> 02:49:49,760
an American thing in an American

3489
02:49:55,079 --> 02:49:52,879
phenomenon and you see statues being

3490
02:49:59,439 --> 02:49:55,089
thrown into rivers in Europe and

3491
02:50:03,219 --> 02:49:59,449
protests in Asia and all around the

3492
02:50:05,469 --> 02:50:03,229
world because of the says to me that

3493
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:05,479
there is something that the media in the

3494
02:50:10,840 --> 02:50:07,279
pan and the controllers and state

3495
02:50:14,679 --> 02:50:10,850
governments that don't understand

3496
02:50:18,489 --> 02:50:14,689
and I truly believe that it's the masses

3497
02:50:20,590 --> 02:50:18,499
that control this planet and you cannot

3498
02:50:22,059 --> 02:50:20,600
continue to try to control the masses

3499
02:50:24,130 --> 02:50:22,069
through the media like they have done

3500
02:50:25,960 --> 02:50:24,140
before it's always been effective in

3501
02:50:28,420 --> 02:50:25,970
years past but it's not that kind of

3502
02:50:33,250 --> 02:50:28,430
party today and there is something that

3503
02:50:36,750 --> 02:50:33,260
has been activated there's something

3504
02:50:40,229 --> 02:50:36,760
there that has been activated and

3505
02:50:45,790 --> 02:50:40,239
governments don't understand it nobody

3506
02:50:48,849 --> 02:50:45,800
nobody not not not Putin not Trump not

3507
02:50:52,899 --> 02:50:48,859
anybody from China or Central or South

3508
02:50:55,630 --> 02:50:52,909
America and did not know they don't get

3509
02:50:58,620 --> 02:50:55,640
it they're trying to control it and

3510
02:51:00,750 --> 02:50:58,630
trying to ignore it even

3511
02:51:02,370 --> 02:51:00,760
you can't you can't it's out of your

3512
02:51:05,580 --> 02:51:02,380
control would you do find that something

3513
02:51:07,170 --> 02:51:05,590
as what's that you said something's been

3514
02:51:09,240 --> 02:51:07,180
activated what do you define that

3515
02:51:12,270 --> 02:51:09,250
something else you know and that that

3516
02:51:14,969 --> 02:51:12,280
was my point with a dr. Raiden tonight I

3517
02:51:17,340 --> 02:51:14,979
don't know what that is there is

3518
02:51:21,900 --> 02:51:17,350
probably and he mentioned this that

3519
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:21,910
there was something in our DNA something

3520
02:51:27,330 --> 02:51:25,530
down there that has been there forever

3521
02:51:29,219 --> 02:51:27,340
it's been there forever

3522
02:51:33,060 --> 02:51:29,229
and we don't know anything about that

3523
02:51:34,800 --> 02:51:33,070
but you keep doing what you're doing and

3524
02:51:37,679 --> 02:51:34,810
that is not only through the media but

3525
02:51:39,750 --> 02:51:37,689
the actions of state and local and

3526
02:51:41,730 --> 02:51:39,760
national governments and the leaders of

3527
02:51:43,500 --> 02:51:41,740
those governments I'm talking here in

3528
02:51:46,530 --> 02:51:43,510
the United States and around the world

3529
02:51:50,100 --> 02:51:46,540
you keep manipulating and screwing with

3530
02:51:53,100 --> 02:51:50,110
the public and it's eventually going to

3531
02:51:57,210 --> 02:51:53,110
backfire and maybe that is what we are

3532
02:52:04,139 --> 02:51:57,220
seeing here and now that that real

3533
02:52:06,990 --> 02:52:04,149
change real change real change is needed

3534
02:52:08,250 --> 02:52:07,000
so there you go listen Deb thank you so

3535
02:52:10,230 --> 02:52:08,260
much for at the end of the show have a

3536
02:52:13,889 --> 02:52:10,240
great night I got a couple more calls I

3537
02:52:14,610 --> 02:52:13,899
got again in will see you tomorrow I'm

3538
02:52:20,280 --> 02:52:14,620
still around

3539
02:52:22,050 --> 02:52:20,290
hmm do you know he called the night on

3540
02:52:24,090 --> 02:52:22,060
that Douglas Dietrich collie was an old

3541
02:52:25,139 --> 02:52:24,100
fader not Dino and I'm sharing a call

3542
02:52:28,469 --> 02:52:25,149
with you that night

3543
02:52:30,290 --> 02:52:28,479
okay I haven't heard seen or anything

3544
02:52:33,090 --> 02:52:30,300
from him in five six years

3545
02:52:35,160 --> 02:52:33,100
okay gobekli tepe Jimmy I'll talk to you

3546
02:52:40,260 --> 02:52:35,170
Deb thank you so much well I right on

3547
02:52:46,770 --> 02:52:40,270
and there you go let's let's see who we

3548
02:52:52,290 --> 02:52:46,780
have up next hi you're live on fade to

3549
02:52:56,520 --> 02:52:52,300
black who's calling rich from Stalin hi

3550
02:52:57,870 --> 02:52:56,530
Joe how are you I'm good I'm so glad I

3551
02:53:00,660 --> 02:52:57,880
know you know we're not a lot of time

3552
02:53:03,030 --> 02:53:00,670
but I'm so glad you made that call I did

3553
02:53:05,610 --> 02:53:03,040
your monologue about it's not feeling

3554
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:05,620
right like all of a sudden at times did

3555
02:53:12,270 --> 02:53:07,930
I hear correctly yeah yeah that's right

3556
02:53:16,290 --> 02:53:12,280
I think you guys q and I we

3557
02:53:19,620 --> 02:53:16,300
Saphir than that Jimmy and I relate to

3558
02:53:22,171 --> 02:53:19,630
totally uh you know you could be ripping

3559
02:53:23,820 --> 02:53:22,181
a lot on 12 news at once figured out all

3560
02:53:26,461 --> 02:53:23,830
kinds of stuff I feel like you're on top

3561
02:53:28,860 --> 02:53:26,471
of the world for a bit and then

3562
02:53:31,140 --> 02:53:28,870
eventually sometimes you feel like

3563
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:31,150
somebody took a straw and suck the life

3564
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:32,650
and energy right out of you and you feel

3565
02:53:37,921 --> 02:53:34,960
drained and he's gonna sit down and you

3566
02:53:43,410 --> 02:53:37,931
just want to frickin collapse well it's

3567
02:53:46,530 --> 02:53:43,420
because we all want to at least have the

3568
02:53:48,540 --> 02:53:46,540
feeling of some kind of control in your

3569
02:53:50,190 --> 02:53:48,550
life right you've got control of your

3570
02:53:52,740 --> 02:53:50,200
bank account the bills are paid you're

3571
02:53:54,540 --> 02:53:52,750
not you're not late on your car payment

3572
02:53:57,390 --> 02:53:54,550
you've been getting up and going to work

3573
02:54:00,001 --> 02:53:57,400
on time whatever you know your kids are

3574
02:54:01,921 --> 02:54:00,011
doing good in school you know your wife

3575
02:54:04,290 --> 02:54:01,931
and your relationship or your husband

3576
02:54:06,270 --> 02:54:04,300
things are cool and and and your friend

3577
02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:06,280
whatever it is right your dogs are

3578
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:08,800
actually behaving you know think you

3579
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:13,170
know where you've got things in control

3580
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:18,130
right now today that feeling has been

3581
02:54:22,950 --> 02:54:20,800
taken away where you don't know what

3582
02:54:24,631 --> 02:54:22,960
what the future is with your job or your

3583
02:54:27,150 --> 02:54:24,641
home or your house or your kids going

3584
02:54:29,610 --> 02:54:27,160
back to school there are all of these

3585
02:54:33,001 --> 02:54:29,620
things your relationships with your

3586
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:33,011
friends and and and racism and culture

3587
02:54:39,841 --> 02:54:37,210
and things are suddenly completely out

3588
02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:39,851
of your control completely a hundred

3589
02:54:46,110 --> 02:54:44,050
percent out of your control and and I I

3590
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:46,120
don't like that feeling and I don't

3591
02:54:51,001 --> 02:54:48,730
think anybody else does and somehow

3592
02:54:53,310 --> 02:54:51,011
we've we've got to get that back you

3593
02:54:55,980 --> 02:54:53,320
know what's what's strange Joe and and

3594
02:55:00,830 --> 02:54:55,990
thank you for pointing that out if we go

3595
02:55:05,640 --> 02:55:00,840
back to New Year's Eve December 31st

3596
02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:05,650
2019 right before 2020 how excited we

3597
02:55:15,480 --> 02:55:10,960
were 2020 this is the year it's the

3598
02:55:19,501 --> 02:55:15,490
right number 2020 and there was nothing

3599
02:55:24,690 --> 02:55:19,511
but bliss in front of us what a great

3600
02:55:25,719 --> 02:55:24,700
year January 1st Jim you know I know I

3601
02:55:30,790 --> 02:55:25,729
don't

3602
02:55:33,460 --> 02:55:30,800
and and and that sense of wonderment and

3603
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:33,470
well-being and in control and and

3604
02:55:40,149 --> 02:55:36,890
knowing our destiny and everything that

3605
02:55:41,679 --> 02:55:40,159
we felt you know I was I was in Las

3606
02:55:44,769 --> 02:55:41,689
Vegas for New Year's Eve

3607
02:55:50,260 --> 02:55:44,779
I watched the fireworks from the top of

3608
02:55:53,319 --> 02:55:50,270
a hotel and what a great weekend and the

3609
02:55:56,580 --> 02:55:53,329
feeling right the feel and and how

3610
02:56:00,340 --> 02:55:56,590
quickly that sense of control and

3611
02:56:01,450 --> 02:56:00,350
destiny has been stripped from me and

3612
02:56:05,319 --> 02:56:01,460
the rest of the planet

3613
02:56:07,569 --> 02:56:05,329
it's is I don't think any of us are cool

3614
02:56:09,519 --> 02:56:07,579
with it right now and I don't know I

3615
02:56:18,519 --> 02:56:09,529
don't know when it's gonna come back I

3616
02:56:21,309 --> 02:56:18,529
just don't know quick comment just one

3617
02:56:24,969 --> 02:56:21,319
really big gigantic psycho like your

3618
02:56:28,439 --> 02:56:24,979
friend della said a few last week or a

3619
02:56:37,029 --> 02:56:34,239
say that whether it's a mass sometime

3620
02:56:40,389 --> 02:56:37,039
you know being a virus a grantee there's

3621
02:56:44,109 --> 02:56:40,399
a bug going around so to speak for what

3622
02:56:47,229 --> 02:56:44,119
is this a massive are are losing and

3623
02:56:49,960 --> 02:56:47,239
being perpetrated for some so-called

3624
02:56:52,149 --> 02:56:49,970
ulterior motive and neither spaghetti

3625
02:56:54,700 --> 02:56:52,159
conspiracy theory you want on top of

3626
02:56:57,849 --> 02:56:54,710
that I don't think I don't think those

3627
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,859
players that would attempt something

3628
02:57:17,460 --> 02:56:59,840
like that but you're referring to or

3629
02:57:28,269 --> 02:57:22,389
if is if as fishy as I want to get my

3630
02:57:31,000 --> 02:57:28,279
mind to go I kind of shrug that off with

3631
02:57:34,479 --> 02:57:31,010
a grin i I just don't see it I just

3632
02:57:36,370 --> 02:57:34,489
don't I don't now that being said Jo I

3633
02:57:37,930 --> 02:57:36,380
would have never thought that we would

3634
02:57:41,080 --> 02:57:37,940
be dealing with

3635
02:57:42,910 --> 02:57:41,090
we're dealing with today that also was

3636
02:57:45,640 --> 02:57:42,920
at the farthest part of anybody's

3637
02:57:48,400 --> 02:57:45,650
imagination we didn't see it and so

3638
02:57:50,320 --> 02:57:48,410
certainly this happened and like I said

3639
02:57:52,750 --> 02:57:50,330
earlier tonight this is part of our

3640
02:57:55,810 --> 02:57:52,760
reality this is real this isn't this

3641
02:57:57,490 --> 02:57:55,820
isn't a movie this is George Orwell's

3642
02:58:01,720 --> 02:57:57,500
nineteen ninety-four being talked about

3643
02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:01,730
on some conspiracy show in 1995 that's

3644
02:58:09,700 --> 02:58:05,930
not what this is this is our reality

3645
02:58:12,480 --> 02:58:09,710
today and it's very tough but I don't

3646
02:58:19,210 --> 02:58:12,490
see it I don't see it going full-tilt

3647
02:58:22,480 --> 02:58:19,220
full-tilt nightmare now that maybe is

3648
02:58:24,940 --> 02:58:22,490
not necessary a malicious thing like you

3649
02:58:28,600 --> 02:58:24,950
know I guess a lot of re-scribe have

3650
02:58:30,551 --> 02:58:28,610
said so they're not maybe listen here's

3651
02:58:32,740 --> 02:58:30,561
a positive us that's in my world in

3652
02:58:35,381 --> 02:58:32,750
Joe's world here because many people

3653
02:58:38,710 --> 02:58:35,391
that are yes so it's just out here fall

3654
02:58:42,400 --> 02:58:38,720
and confuse you know but at the same

3655
02:58:44,770 --> 02:58:42,410
point for me you know you know I'm a bit

3656
02:58:47,140 --> 02:58:44,780
of a spiritual type person so I've got I

3657
02:58:49,810 --> 02:58:47,150
got my own same every one of these days

3658
02:58:53,410 --> 02:58:49,820
we really have a good talk about it but

3659
02:58:56,200 --> 02:58:53,420
uh holidays in a way is like a sense of

3660
02:58:59,140 --> 02:58:56,210
a newness like a new world and you know

3661
02:59:03,180 --> 02:58:59,150
even though there is like struggles and

3662
02:59:06,820 --> 02:59:03,190
trials overcome there's a freshness

3663
02:59:08,470 --> 02:59:06,830
that's the point Joe thank you for the

3664
02:59:10,990 --> 02:59:08,480
phone call I think that's the point you

3665
02:59:12,520 --> 02:59:11,000
have a great night be safe out there in

3666
02:59:16,420 --> 02:59:12,530
Staten Island and I'll see you tomorrow

3667
02:59:17,591 --> 02:59:16,430
night right here on the show thank you

3668
02:59:22,540 --> 02:59:17,601
Joe

3669
02:59:25,270 --> 02:59:22,550
I totally and my view of the world will

3670
02:59:28,270 --> 02:59:25,280
never change I walk around flowers

3671
02:59:29,801 --> 02:59:28,280
hanging out of my pockets I do it's just

3672
02:59:33,070 --> 02:59:29,811
not gonna change it's not gonna change

3673
02:59:35,230 --> 02:59:33,080
they're trying they're trying they're

3674
02:59:37,390 --> 02:59:35,240
not gonna get me paid to Black's

3675
02:59:39,070 --> 02:59:37,400
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3676
02:59:41,230 --> 02:59:39,080
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3677
02:59:43,420 --> 02:59:41,240
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3678
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3679
02:59:48,490 --> 02:59:45,891
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3680
02:59:49,890 --> 02:59:48,500
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3681
02:59:52,150 --> 02:59:49,900
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3682
02:59:58,360 --> 02:59:52,160
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3683
03:00:00,610 --> 02:59:58,370
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3684
03:00:02,290 --> 03:00:00,620
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3685
03:00:04,511 --> 03:00:02,300
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3686
03:00:05,890 --> 03:00:04,521
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3687
03:00:07,960 --> 03:00:05,900
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3688
03:00:09,430 --> 03:00:07,970
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3689
03:00:10,690 --> 03:00:09,440
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3690
03:00:14,131 --> 03:00:10,700
network on the nose jimmy church

3691
03:00:17,560 --> 03:00:14,141
tomorrow night right here stay tonight

3692
03:00:19,930 --> 03:00:17,570
open lines all night long very special

3693
03:00:24,390 --> 03:00:19,940
thanks to dr. Dean Radin I'll see

3694
03:00:28,610 --> 03:00:24,400
everybody tomorrow until then be safe